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After Juncker debacle another EU stitch up- time for the people to vote? Watch

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ment-post.html

    Martin Schulz an ardent federalist and socialist set to get to stay as EU Parliament President. Nigel farage described it as:

    'There are no losers among the EU elite after this election. Everyone is a winner,"

    "This is a big stitch up. For them, it's damn all to do with democracy and it's all about the carving up of power among the EU elites."

    Is it time these positions in the EU were elected by the people
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    Why don't we like Juncker again? He seems quite level-headed, and given that we are one of two countries that voted against him I'm inclined to believe we're being overly picky and optimistic about leaving.
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    (Original post by CJKay)
    Why don't we like Juncker again? He seems quite level-headed, and given that we are one of two countries that voted against him I'm inclined to believe we're being overly picky and optimistic about leaving.
    we dislike Juncker because he is an EU federalist whose aim is ever closer union he does not care about UK interests and as we pay for most of it (along with germany) whilst most of the other countries take we will be outvoted
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    The people did vote. Just over a month ago, remember? We elect the representatives, they elect a president. It's exactly the same system the House of Commons uses, with the same advantages and drawbacks. Hence Gordon Brown taking over the job during our last parliament. No-one voted for him, and no-one voted for Blair either, except for those few who lived in his constituency. We don't get to directly choose our leader.

    And besides, in all likelihood if a separate vote had been done for the presidency Juncker or someone with similar ideals would still have won. So I'd say calling this result a "stitch-up" is wildly inaccurate.
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    (Original post by Ace123)
    we dislike Juncker because he is an EU federalist whose aim is ever closer union he does not care about UK interests and as we pay for most of it (along with germany) whilst most of the other countries take we will be outvoted
    Why, exactly, would you be averse to closer political and economic ties? Also we're something like fourth on the payout/benefits scale, but that's what negotiations are for, which Juncker quite openly stated he was willing to listen to.
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    (Original post by Ace123)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ment-post.html

    Martin Schulz an ardent federalist and socialist set to get to stay as EU Parliament President. Nigel farage described it as:

    'There are no losers among the EU elite after this election. Everyone is a winner,"

    "This is a big stitch up. For them, it's damn all to do with democracy and it's all about the carving up of power among the EU elites."

    Is it time these positions in the EU were elected by the people
    Shulz is not a Socialist.
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    (Original post by CJKay)
    Why don't we like Juncker again? He seems quite level-headed, and given that we are one of two countries that voted against him I'm inclined to believe we're being overly picky and optimistic about leaving.
    Juncker is an integrationist, whereas our present government would prefer decentralisation.

    What right does he have to be head of the EU commission? He was leader of a country with the population of Bristol and turned it into a tax-haven to essentially leech off the tax money of European countries. Hardly exemplary.

    He's also got a rather odious personality, being rather arrogant and potentially an alcoholic.

    He's a Eurosceptic dream.
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    (Original post by CJKay)
    Why, exactly, would you be averse to closer political and economic ties? Also we're something like fourth on the payout/benefits scale, but that's what negotiations are for, which Juncker quite openly stated he was willing to listen to.
    Please me you are not stupid enough to believe the EU reform lie it will never happen in a million years reforms to major areas will never happen e.g. immigration, EU budget, CAP, fishing, business rules etc
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    (Original post by Ace123)
    Please me you are not stupid enough to believe the EU reform lie it will never happen in a million years reforms to major areas will never happen e.g. immigration, EU budget, CAP, fishing, business rules etc
    All I hear is propaganda from both sides. Any neutralists want to give a decent description of the situation?
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    Where's the "We should leave the EU now while we can" option?
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    (Original post by Ace123)

    Is it time these positions in the EU were elected by the people
    Juncker was elected, insofar that he had the support of all the largest parties in the elected European Parliament. The undemocratic thing would be to ignore the wishes of the European majority and force through what Britain wants.
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    (Original post by Dez)
    The people did vote. Just over a month ago, remember? We elect the representatives, they elect a president. It's exactly the same system the House of Commons uses, with the same advantages and drawbacks. Hence Gordon Brown taking over the job during our last parliament. No-one voted for him, and no-one voted for Blair either, except for those few who lived in his constituency. We don't get to directly choose our leader.
    No! In Britain we elect the party, the winning party/party with most MP's selects their leader. Martin Schulz came from a smaller party/the losing party. It would be a bit like overwhelmingly voting for the Conservatives and having the MP's decide Ed Miliband should become PM or vice-versa.

    The parties people voted for in May have no effect on outcome but in Britain the 2005 GE did. Brown was still Labour.
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    The sooner people realise the EU is in no wish to be reformed the better. The whole project has aims of federalisation and closer integration of member states. If you want that then god help you. You only have to look at the issues America has to see it's a bad idea. It'd be even worse for us as our cultures contrast even more, our economies are completely different and there are much more language barriers.

    The EU is a disgraceful project serving the elite and rich and screwing over the poor. It will give them more control over us to dictate to us how we should live.
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    To answer the OP I would support the commission being elected or made up of MEPs.

    (Original post by CJKay)
    All I hear is propaganda from both sides. Any neutralists want to give a decent description of the situation?
    The people of Europe voted for the EPP as the largest party in the European parliament. The EPP elected Juncker. As Merkels party is part of the EPP, Cameron was a massive fool to think she would put his interests before that of Germany. The rest of Europe fell into line behind the country putting its money where its mouth is rather than the one whining.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The people of Europe voted for the EPP as the largest party in the European parliament. The EPP elected Juncker. As Merkels party is part of the EPP, Cameron was a massive fool to think she would put his interests before that of Germany. The rest of Europe fell into line behind the country putting its money where its mouth is rather than the one whining.
    You forgot to mention Martin Schulz being chosen from the smaller party with fewer votes.
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    (Original post by This Is Matt)
    No! In Britain we elect the party, the winning party/party with most MP's selects their leader. Martin Schulz came from a smaller party/the losing party. It would be a bit like overwhelmingly voting for the Conservatives and having the MP's decide Ed Miliband should become PM or vice-versa.

    The parties people voted for in May have no effect on outcome but in Britain the 2005 GE did. Brown was still Labour.
    What has any of this got to do with Martin Schulz? It was Juncker who was proposed by the European Council, not Schulz.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    To answer the OP I would support the commission being elected or made up of MEPs.



    The people of Europe voted for the EPP as the largest party in the European parliament. The EPP elected Juncker. As Merkels party is part of the EPP, Cameron was a massive fool to think she would put his interests before that of Germany. The rest of Europe fell into line behind the country putting its money where its mouth is rather than the one whining.
    Wait, Cameron actually expected the rest of Europe to fall behind him, even though he makes Britain sound like a bunch of pussies?
    For what reasons did he think they would actually change their minds?
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    (Original post by This Is Matt)
    You forgot to mention Martin Schulz being chosen from the smaller party with fewer votes.
    Aye that's true.
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    (Original post by CJKay)
    Wait, Cameron actually expected the rest of Europe to fall behind him, even though he makes Britain sound like a bunch of pussies?
    For what reasons did he think they would actually change their minds?
    Who knows.
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    (Original post by SHallowvale)
    What has any of this got to do with Martin Schulz? It was Juncker who was proposed by the European Council, not Schulz.
    Farage's comments of a 'big stitch up' were in regard to Schulz. Schulz was chosen hence the claims of it being undemocratic.
 
 
 
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