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    The nordic countries are the gold standard for basically everything we see as good in the world : gender equality, quality of life, best countries to be a woman in, maternity leave, wealth equality, best health care, human rights, happiest on earth etc etc etc. Year after year they top the charts in all these areas . On top of that, feminism and social engineering are more or less state religions and have shaped these countries for many years.

    Yet the vast majority of women still choose stay out of STEM related degrees and careers, they still choose to work part time (Sweden has one of the highest rates for women working part time in the world), take their maternity leave instead of letting the male partner do it and are a rare sight in executive offices. In fact , they have some of the worst outcomes in the world. All this while incredibly archaic and patriarchal countries like Iran (70% of STEM students are women) or India (more female engineering students as a percentage than Sweden or Norway) have much more equal outcomes, sometimes with men being clearly outdone in some areas.

    The question is why? Why is it that the more opportunities women have the more they act like they are living in an oppressed, patriarchal world where they have very limited choices and make the most stereotypical decisions ? And why do women in countries where they can't even decide what they wear, need special train cars to travel to avoid groping or aren't allowed on stadiums do so much better?
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    The more you enable people to make excuses and blame others for underachieving and being lazy, the more they will take those opportunities.
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    I see the point you're making, however I think you've missed a few things. Firstly, the female % of STEM students is hardly a measure of equality. Also, in Iran and India, it is unlikely that these women chose to do those degrees - it's highly likely that they were persuaded / told to select certain degrees by their family. Furthermore, in these countries it's less likely for a woman to have a job at all...

    You've picked out a few things that don't show the big picture at all, whilst ignoring things like literacy rates, life expectancy, percentages of women and men in parliament, male and female wage rates, and so on. These are much more important 'outcomes' - STEM degrees really aren't a big deal as a woman having a degree in itself is the 'outcome' that we look for when assessing gender equality..
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    (Original post by Bulbasaur)
    I see the point you're making, however I think you've missed a few things. Firstly, the female % of STEM students is hardly a measure of equality. Also, in Iran and India, it is unlikely that these women chose to do those degrees - it's highly likely that they were persuaded / told to select certain degrees by their family. Furthermore, in these countries it's less likely for a woman to have a job at all...

    You've picked out a few things that don't show the big picture at all, whilst ignoring things like literacy rates, life expectancy, percentages of women and men in parliament, male and female wage rates, and so on. These are much more important 'outcomes' - STEM degrees really aren't a big deal as a woman having a degree in itself is the 'outcome' that we look for when assessing gender equality..

    This isn't just about college choices. Why are so few women choosing pursue STEM related degrees and careers, choosing to work full time, choosing to let their male partner use the equal parent leave and choosing to go into long hour, stressful, competitive jobs that will land them a spot in a company boardroom in the countries that have the most gender equal, feminist, androgynous happy societies that have ever existed in the history of the known universe ? Social engineers will tell you that the more gender equal and progressive a a society is the more the outcomes will be closer to 50/50 since men and women are exactly the same from day one and society is the only factor that makes us act, feel and think so incredibly different . But, as shown by examples in the real world (not the world of social sciences which is as real as Azeroth), the more equality there is the more ''stereotypical'' the choices made by both men and women will be.
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    (Original post by Den Haag)
    This isn't just about college choices. Why are so few women choosing pursue STEM related degrees and careers, choosing to work full time, choosing to let their male partner use the equal parent leave and choosing to go into long hour, stressful, competitive jobs that will land them a spot in a company boardroom in the countries that have the most gender equal, feminist, androgynous happy societies that have ever existed in the history of the known universe ? Social engineers will tell you that the more gender equal and progressive a a society is the more the outcomes will be closer to 50/50 since men and women are exactly the same from day one and society is the only factor that makes us act, feel and think so incredibly different . But, as shown by examples in the real world (not the world of social sciences which is as real as Azeroth), the more equality there is the more ''stereotypical'' the choices made by both men and women will be.
    You make the assumption though that the ONLY factor that effects the outcome.
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    because iran is just better than europe and certainly the rape capital of it
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    People do what makes them happy when they are given the choice.
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    Wow, feminism and STEMM in one thread. I'm sure there's some sort of certificate available for this.
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    Ever heard of the fable of the frog and the scorpion? Basically, the scorpion wants to get across the river, but he cannot swim. So he asks the frog to swim him across the river. The frog refuses, because he's afraid the scorpion would sting him. The scorpion lays his fears to rest and argues that if he stings the frog, they would both go down. The frog is convinced, takes the scorpion on his back and starts swimming across the river. In the middle, the scorpion stings the frog. When the frog asks ''Why?'', the scorpion answered that it's in his nature and he can't help it.

    The moral of the story is that natural behavior of any being is inevitable and no matter what the circumstances are, no matter how you educate these beings, no matter what virtues you raise them in - they'll still act according to their innate nature. Maybe what we're seeing in these equal societies is exactly that - that women and men have different innate natures that drive them towards different paths and preferences. Why is this necessarily a bad thing?
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    (Original post by Zorgotron)
    Ever heard of the fable of the frog and the scorpion? Basically, the scorpion wants to get across the river, but he cannot swim. So he asks the frog to swim him across the river. The frog refuses, because he's afraid the scorpion would sting him. The scorpion lays his fears to rest and argues that if he stings the frog, they would both go down. The frog is convinced, takes the scorpion on his back and starts swimming across the river. In the middle, the scorpion stings the frog. When the frog asks ''Why?'', the scorpion answered that it's in his nature and he can't help it.

    The moral of the story is that natural behavior of any being is inevitable and no matter what the circumstances are, no matter how you educate these beings, no matter what virtues you raise them in - they'll still act according to their innate nature. Maybe what we're seeing in these equal societies is exactly that - that women and men have different innate natures that drive them towards different paths and preferences. Why is this necessarily a bad thing?
    Because if feminists say it is bad then we must all take it as the one true opinion. Because women are never wrong.
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    (Original post by Zorgotron)
    Ever heard of the fable of the frog and the scorpion? Basically, the scorpion wants to get across the river, but he cannot swim. So he asks the frog to swim him across the river. The frog refuses, because he's afraid the scorpion would sting him. The scorpion lays his fears to rest and argues that if he stings the frog, they would both go down. The frog is convinced, takes the scorpion on his back and starts swimming across the river. In the middle, the scorpion stings the frog. When the frog asks ''Why?'', the scorpion answered that it's in his nature and he can't help it.

    The moral of the story is that natural behavior of any being is inevitable and no matter what the circumstances are, no matter how you educate these beings, no matter what virtues you raise them in - they'll still act according to their innate nature. Maybe what we're seeing in these equal societies is exactly that - that women and men have different innate natures that drive them towards different paths and preferences. Why is this necessarily a bad thing?
    You're right. I wanted to find out how feminists explain these ''surprising'' outcomes in the most feminist countries in the world without admitting men and women are psychologically very different from birth and even the best of conditions will not create their ''androgynous'' 50/50 utopia. On the contrary, it will completely bury it under behavior shaped by millions of years of evolution that piss all over the 50 years or so of brainwashing by social engineers.

    So far, none of the vocal local feminists seem to eager to reply though, unsurprisingly. The part time working women, the non-STEM degrees they choose, their tiny presence in boardrooms and so on....The more choices women have the less they want to make ''male'' choices. Hey feminists, it hurts, doesn't it? You can't belieeeeeve what fell. All your dreams... dashed. Hopes down the ****ing drain.
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    (Original post by Den Haag)
    The nordic countries are the gold standard for basically everything we see as good in the world : gender equality, quality of life, best countries to be a woman in, maternity leave, wealth equality, best health care, human rights, happiest on earth etc etc etc. Year after year they top the charts in all these areas . On top of that, feminism and social engineering are more or less state religions and have shaped these countries for many years.

    Yet the vast majority of women still choose stay out of STEM related degrees and careers, they still choose to work part time (Sweden has one of the highest rates for women working part time in the world), take their maternity leave instead of letting the male partner do it and are a rare sight in executive offices. In fact , they have some of the worst outcomes in the world. All this while incredibly archaic and patriarchal countries like Iran (70% of STEM students are women) or India (more female engineering students as a percentage than Sweden or Norway) have much more equal outcomes, sometimes with men being clearly outdone in some areas.

    The question is why? Why is it that the more opportunities women have the more they act like they are living in an oppressed, patriarchal world where they have very limited choices and make the most stereotypical decisions ? And why do women in countries where they can't even decide what they wear, need special train cars to travel to avoid groping or aren't allowed on stadiums do so much better?
    I'd be perfectly happy to work part time and raise a family if it was the logical decision it's the choice factor if I had no choice but to do that I would resent it massively.
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    Still no answer. Still waiting.
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    (Original post by Den Haag)
    Still no answer. Still waiting.
    Several possibilities have been given, if you really want to know why don't you go out there and ask them?
 
 
 
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