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    MP Voting Review - July 4, 2014 (XIX)


    So four weeks have passed since the previous voting review, meaning that, firstly, we're halfway through the Nineteenth Parliament, and, more importantly, it's time for the next review. Six seats were highlighted for removal -- of those seats, all bar one have met the conditions set for remaining with their original owners.

    • Escutcheon (Independent) : Removed
    • Tyrion_Lannister (Labour) : Replaced
    • (vacant) (Socialist) : MP Found
    • Burridge (Socialist) : Replaced
    • Moleman1996 (UKIP) : Replaced
    • (vacant) (UKIP) : MP Found

    A by-election will begin tomorrow to elect a new member for Escutcheon's seat.

    On the basis of their turnouts for the votes held over the previous four weeks, the following five seats have been highlighted for removal:

    • James222 (Labour) : 33% turnout
    • obiejess (Labour) : 36% turnout
    • ThisIsn'tSpam (Green) : 0% turnout
    • SloaneRanger (UKIP) : 33% turnout
    • Observatory (Libertarian) : 36% turnout

    In addition, there are three new MPs who have yet to manage a >=50% turnout. I have decided to exempt these MPs from being classed as sub-standard, because none of them have held their positions for longer than a week, meaning it'd be a bit harsh.

    Underperforming seats must either be replaced, or achieve a >=50% turnout in the votes that follow the ones listed in the review, which will be held in early August.

    On a more positive note, a whopping nineteen MPs have attained a 100% rate of turnout. Kudos to everyone who manages a decent rate.
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      Oh dear Labour, members abandoning ship?
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      Oh dear, 9 members highlighted/removed/new but underperforming in this review.

      The Tory and Liberal parties could fill those seats for you. Easily.

      The three new members below 50% are: James222 (Labour), arminb (Socialist) and Sanctimonious (UKIP).

      Therefore:
      Under performing MPs in 1st review:
      Govt.: 3, Opp.: 0, UKIP: 2, Libertarian: 0, Ind.: 1.

      2nd Review:
      Govt.: 5, Opp. 0, UKIP: 2, Libertarian: 1, Ind.: 0

      Total:

      Govt. 8
      Opp. 0

      UKIP 4
      Libertarian 1
      Independent 1

      Congratulations to the Tories and Liberals.
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      We should make another change to the system. Labour showed us it is possible to get away with having a rubbish MP for most of the term and then replacing her a couple of days before a voting review without any sanctions whatsoever.

      The whole point of these reviews is to get parties to utilise the full number of MP seats effectively and encourage activity, not to allow them to give the seats away to random people and voting machines just to prevent themselves from losing them.

      It has been obvious for quite some times that Labour do not have enough active members, while for instance the Conservatives have got multiple active non-MPs. Briefly: Be considerate and step aside, please.
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      (Original post by Life_peer)
      We should make another change to the system. Labour showed us it is possible to get away with having a rubbish MP for most of the term and then replacing her a couple of days before a voting review without any sanctions whatsoever.

      The whole point of these reviews is to get parties to utilise the full number of MP seats effectively and encourage activity, not to allow them to give the seats away to random people and voting machines just to prevent themselves from losing them.

      It has been obvious for quite some times that Labour do not have enough active members, while for instance the Conservatives have got multiple active non-MPs. Briefly: Be considerate and step aside, please.

      what do you suggest then, that despite winning the election they should give up a big block of seats simply because the tories are an active party?
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      (Original post by Life_peer)
      We should make another change to the system. Labour showed us it is possible to get away with having a rubbish MP for most of the term and then replacing her a couple of days before a voting review without any sanctions whatsoever.

      The whole point of these reviews is to get parties to utilise the full number of MP seats effectively and encourage activity, not to allow them to give the seats away to random people and voting machines just to prevent themselves from losing them.

      It has been obvious for quite some times that Labour do not have enough active members, while for instance the Conservatives have got multiple active non-MPs. Briefly: Be considerate and step aside, please.
      It's important to remember that the purpose of the initial review is to affect change, be that replacing an MP or giving them a kick up the behind to get on with it. In cases where they take the chance on the existing MP or leave it three weeks I do agree though. We should also define that banned members must have a proxy appointed otherwise their classed as missing the vote.
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      I'm not sure what's happened to ThisIsn'tSpam but he's been inactive for a number of weeks now and the process has already begun for a new MP.
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        (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
        what do you suggest then, that despite winning the election they should give up a big block of seats simply because the tories are an active party?
        Well uh, duh :rolleyes:
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        (Original post by tehFrance)
        Well uh, duh :rolleyes:
        So then the point of the elections is? Government is fancy titles at best, but what is the point of even running an election if we're then just going to ignore the results and redistribute seats according to party activity levels?
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        James222 is pretty new.
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        (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
        So then the point of the elections is? Government is fancy titles at best, but what is the point of even running an election if we're then just going to ignore the results and redistribute seats according to party activity levels?
        We are already ignoring the results – for instance, Jarred and toronto353 occupy UKIP seats. By Jarred's authoritarian decision, without any consultation with UKIP!

        Admittedly, Will is on loan to our party, so the Liberals have effectively seven MPs despite having only four own seats (there is hardly any whipping).

        Correction, toronto353 seems to have already been kicked out, but it used to be as hereinbefore.
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          How disappointing
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          We are already ignoring the results – for instance, Jarred and toronto353 occupy UKIP seats. By Jarred's authoritarian decision, without any consultation with UKIP!

          Admittedly, Will is on loan to our party, so the Liberals have effectively seven MPs despite having only four own seats (there is hardly any whipping).

          Correction, toronto353 seems to have already been kicked out, but it used to be as hereinbefore.
          Yes we do have 4 Liberal MP's, Jarred's is his decision but from UKIP and I think I am right in saying that Toronto has given up his UKIP seat and of course my seat is on loan (of which I am eternally grateful for you Tories for!)

          Much like you Tories he have many active users who wish to become MP's be we do not have the seats to allow them to, so it is very distressing seeing such a waste by the Government "MP's" if you can call them that...

          (Original post by MacDaddi)
          How disappointing
          Much agreed, it is really not fair on the rest of us who want to play the game properly.

          Also is there a spread sheet or is it just me who cannot find it?
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          Toronto has gone but UKIP are still short. There simply aren't enough active people. This by-election is no, no for UKIP. It'll be a waste of time. There are not enough members for current seats let alone the remote possibility of another seat.
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          (Original post by Life_peer)
          We are already ignoring the results – for instance, Jarred and toronto353 occupy UKIP seats. By Jarred's authoritarian decision, without any consultation with UKIP!

          Admittedly, Will is on loan to our party, so the Liberals have effectively seven MPs despite having only four own seats (there is hardly any whipping).

          Correction, toronto353 seems to have already been kicked out, but it used to be as hereinbefore.

          (Original post by Will95206)
          Yes we do have 4 Liberal MP's, Jarred's is his decision but from UKIP and I think I am right in saying that Toronto has given up his UKIP seat and of course my seat is on loan (of which I am eternally grateful for you Tories for!)

          Much like you Tories he have many active users who wish to become MP's be we do not have the seats to allow them to, so it is very distressing seeing such a waste by the Government "MP's" if you can call them that...



          Much agreed, it is really not fair on the rest of us who want to play the game properly.

          Also is there a spread sheet or is it just me who cannot find it?
          I'm not an MP for TSR UKIP any more. They took the seat back, but I can't remember who's now got it.


          (Original post by This Is Matt)
          Toronto has gone but UKIP are still short. There simply aren't enough active people. This by-election is no, no for UKIP. It'll be a waste of time. There are not enough members for current seats let alone the remote possibility of another seat.
          There never has been in TSR UKIP and that's even when you go way back to the start of the party. My feeling is that it might be worth looking at reducing the size of the House, perhaps to 40 MPs, for the time being.
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          (Original post by This Is Matt)
          Toronto has gone but UKIP are still short. There simply aren't enough active people. This by-election is no, no for UKIP. It'll be a waste of time. There are not enough members for current seats let alone the remote possibility of another seat.
          If you need someone to fill them, so they don't get removed, we will happily loan you players until you can find UKIP members to fill them.


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          (Original post by toronto353)
          I'm not an MP for TSR UKIP any more. They took the seat back, but I can't remember who's now got it.




          There never has been in TSR UKIP and that's even when you go way back to the start of the party. My feeling is that it might be worth looking at reducing the size of the House, perhaps to 40 MPs, for the time being.
          Why? There are easily 50 'active' members, just the seats seem to be distributed in the worst way possible.

          If a party cannot fill their seats, they should do the honourable thing and loan them out to other parties.

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          (Original post by Will95206)
          Of course my seat is on loan (of which I am eternally grateful for you Tories for!)

          Also is there a spread sheet or is it just me who cannot find it?
          Key word being eternally

          In the title, it is linked.


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          Why? There are 50 'active' members, just the seats seem to be distributed in the worst way possible.
          A lot of MPs simply vote and do little else. 9 can't even be bothered to do that. Of course we could just distribute according to activity, but that would a) be very difficult to calculate (what do you define as activity? How do you quantify it?) and b) remove the point of and need for elections (at which point, you've basically killed the place). I think that a smaller core of 40 MPs is what's needed and the statistics of today's review seems to suggest that would be an almost ideal number.
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          (Original post by Cryptographic)
          Key word being eternally

          In the title, it is linked.


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