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    I see people over the years have compared universities with media league tables, through references to membership of the G5 and the Russell Group, and various other methods. Whilst all of these have their own merits, what I have learned 10 years after graduating from Nottingham is that a university is judged by having a tradition and reputation for churning out the best graduates who go onto become Barristers, Ministers, CEOs, Scientists etc. for the leading institutions. Oxbridge without a doubt leads the pack, closely followed by LSE and Imperial. After these, all other leading Russell Group universities are neck and neck in most cases.

    When will students at Russell Group universities realise that the measure of a great University is shown through the overall accomplishments of the individual itself, and not just through the name of the university?
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    Please tell more about the LSE-Imperial pack being better than UCL.
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    (Original post by MichelBraga)
    Please tell more about the LSE-Imperial pack being better than UCL.
    The point of this thread is that you, the graduate (or future graduate) are the one who makes yourself better than a graduate from Oxbridge or Imperial or LSE. The name of the university you go to is not the passport or barrier to the great professions and firms. The barrier is you hiding yourself behind the prestige of a University you went to. Remember, John Major didn't go to university yet was elected Prime Minister of the UK from 1992-1997, and didn't do all that bad considering how badly a ''gifted'' Gordon Brown from Edinburgh University (a non-G5 institution, not to forget) did. There is more to you being excellent that the prestige of the university you went to in the real world.
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    (Original post by Mansun)
    The point of this thread is that you, the graduate (or future graduate) are the one who makes yourself better than a graduate from Oxbridge or Imperial or LSE. The name of the university you go to is not the passport or barrier to the great professions and firms. The barrier is you hiding yourself behind the prestige of a University you went to. Remember, John Major didn't go to university yet was Prime Minister of the UK from 1992-1997.
    Agreed, but unfortunately there are doors that only open with certain keys (terribly cheesy, but that's the best I managed to pull off at this time of the night), and one of those keys is having a prestigious university on your CV.

    Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial and UCL are the top 5 in the UK and their reputation precedes the qualification of their graduates. There are great students everywhere, but in a first moment, during a CV selection triage, having UCL written in your CV will catch the attention of a employer much more than Manchester, Leeds or Nottingham.

    For instance, I'm not even from the UK, but even so this whole reputation thing affects deeply my prospects in my home country. In my homeland, the well-known UK universities are Oxbridge, LSE and UCL. And the fact that I have one of them in my CV opens an enormous scope of possibilities.

    So although I agree with you that, in the end, it's the person and its capacities that will define its potential, having a prestigious university like UCL will help you to get in places that other graduates will have to work much harder to reach.
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    (Original post by MichelBraga)
    Agreed, but unfortunately there are doors that only open with certain keys (terribly cheesy, but that's the best I managed to pull off at this time of the night), and one of those keys is having a prestigious university on your CV.

    Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial and UCL are the top 5 in the UK and their reputation precedes the qualification of their graduates. There are great students everywhere, but in a first moment, during a CV selection triage, having UCL written in your CV will catch the attention of a employer much more than Manchester, Leeds or Nottingham.

    For instance, I'm not even from the UK, but even so this whole reputation thing affects deeply my prospects in my home country. In my homeland, the well-known UK universities are Oxbridge, LSE and UCL. And the fact that I have one of them in my CV opens an enormous scope of possibilities.

    So although I agree with you that, in the end, it's the person and its capacities that will define its potential, having a prestigious university like UCL will help you to get in places that other graduates will have to work much harder to reach.
    Top employers don't just interview candidates from the G5 in the UK, they hire across the Russell Group and even outside this pool in some cases. The G5 will give you bragging rights given their international reputation, but employers look for evidence of a wide range of skills and qualities beyond the academic potential of a candidate.

    If you want to get a top job, focus on the added value qualities and you will have the edge over any G5 graduate who didn't bother to develop their potential beyond their degree certificate. Though I am sure most G5 university students should already know this, and do actively develop their social and professional skills through sport clubs, interns and volunteering etc.

    If you just want to stay in academia, then the G5 universities in most cases will give you an edge over rivals in the Russell Group. Though a 1st in Law from Leeds will still be seen as much better than a 2.1 from UCL, so the grade is just as important. Having gone to Nottingham, I can tell you employers won't reject a Nottingham graduate in favour of a UCL graduate who got the same grade in the same or similar subject. Much more likely they will look at other things that you have to offer, plus at the assessment centre you will be grilled to death on your wider qualities. No investment bank wants a maths wiz kid who can't socialise or work well in a team.
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    Why are rich graduates considered great, just for being rich? By your definition, Justin Bieber would be "great."

    I know you included scientists in your definition of great, but why "CEOs"?
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    (Original post by Mansun)
    . Remember, John Major didn't go to university yet was Prime Minister of the UK from 1992-1997
    1990 to 1997. You did not study politics did you?

    and didn't do all that bad considering how badly a ''gifted'' Gordon Brown from Edinburgh University (a non-G5 institution, not to forget) did. There is more to you being excellent that the prestige of the university you went to in the real world.
    A non g5 unversity? Goodness gracious how horrid!!!!!!!!!

    Mind he does have a PhD.

    Also a Gordon Brown who was PM during the worst financial crisis in post-war history, which was worldwide.

    Now can you stop throwing this G5 term all over the forum. It is not 2008. You are not popepius (I don't think). It is not an official or even widely used term.
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    (Original post by River85)
    1990 to 1997. You did not study politics did you?



    A non g5 unversity? Goodness gracious how horrid!!!!!!!!!

    Mind he does have a PhD.

    Also a Gordon Brown who was PM during the worst financial crisis in post-war history, which was worldwide.

    Now can you stop throwing this G5 term all over the forum. It is not 2008. You are not popepius (I don't think). It is not an official or even widely used term.
    Thanks for the correction, however John Major served as PM after being elected on his own mandate from 1992-1997, but came to office in 1990 after Maggie Thatcher was thrown out. You don't need a BA in politics to be competent in the subject, as virtually no MP ever majors in politics.

    I think you missed the point on Gordon Brown, I was saying you don't have to attend a ''G5'' university to get the top job in the land. Also using G5 as term saves the tedious typing of the 5 members, just like typing out all of the members of the Russell Group & 1994 Group respectively.

    Hopefully students these days understand that university rankings are completely worthless, as they couldn't possibly capture the diversity of different UK universities, or of those overseas. These were the wise words of Malcolm Grant, Vice Chancellor of UCL, who was responding to the fact that UCL was up to 4th in the world rankings.
 
 
 
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