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if anybody really knows what is going on here than please e-mail me at [email protected]. i am open to all comments. i posted there is some truth and you are wrong on this same page. there must be some evidence to get some answers here, i just do not understand most people that make fun of the people that are on this forum because they believe must believe in it in some way because they care enough to reply to these threads.
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ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE MATRIX IS???

This is long, but quite interesting and explanatory!



Zion is a program, just like the Matrix. How is Neo able to figure out that he is able to stop the sentinels in Zion near the end of the film? The spoon given to him earlier. It had obviously been bent loads, but how outside the Matrix?? This gave Neo the inspiration and the understanding that Zion is still a matrix.

The One explained

"The One" is a program, but has to be "attached" to someone in the Matrix. So Mr. Anderson got it in the 6th version of the Matrix. Then "The One" program's purpose is to allow Zion to be destroyed then to rebuild it. The reason for this is because of anomalies - the 1% of humans that don't accept the Matrix. These are all brought out of the Matrix program and into the Zion program by the "Morpheus" program and other similar "ship captain" programs. Then once all the anomalies are out of the Matrix (and in Zion), that is the time for Zion to be destroyed, thus killing all the anomalies off. The Matrix is then upgraded, thus creating the next version of the Matrix, but Zion must be rebuilt so that the next lot of anomalies can bebrought out again so that they can be destroyed. This is the feedback-loop, and is the reason to retain a handful of people so that Zion can be rebuilt. So this is why Neo said the prophecy was a lie - the One's purpose was not to end the war as the prophecy stated. Unfortunately, "The One" program must be re-used each time, or copied, so it can be "attached" to a new anomaly inside the Matrix. So what happens to the old "The One" program? It faces deletion, and as the Oracle explained, it goes into exile instead, just like the French bloke (the Merovingian) did. He was the first One (probably from the second version of the Matrix), and once he fulfilled his duty, he became an exile program and "abdicated" his "Oneness" by choosing Persephone and power. This is evident in the bogs when Persephone asks Neo to kiss her. She says she wants him to kiss her so she can feel what it is like again to be kissed by something close to human, just like the Merovingian used to be. Then she says to Trinity that she envies her, but that these things are not meant to last. So the Merovingian used to be just like Neo - a One - thus proving further the feedback-loop explained earlier.

The correct door in the Architect's room

Now there are two possibilities here:

1. All the previous One's chose the right door allowing a "temporary dissemination" of their code into the Matrix (i.e., the code they "carry" thus indicating Neo is indeed human), then he must select (unplug) 23 people from the Matrix to rebuild Zion. This takes away the possibility that stories from previous rebuilds of Zion will be carried through. But Morpheus indicated in the first Matrix that this is the case anyway. He said, "there was a man born inside, able to change things, it was he who freed the first of us," - basically the One previous to Neo. And this proves that the previous One chose the right door also. Neo's purpose is also to choose the right door, but he does not because he faces deletion afterwards and has the choice of going into exile - programs choosing to go into exile is the one thing that can't be accounted for in program parameters. Thus, he chooses the left door instead this time. How was Neo able to choose the other door? Because of his extreme willpower? - Even the Architect indicated that he'd noticed this - "Interesting. That was quicker than the others." Or more likely, because the Oracle upgraded his coding with the candy on the park bench. The candy/cookie was a method to change the One's program. She said he has made a believer out of her - this is quite human-like and perhaps the previous One's didn't accept the upgrade candy, now she has hope... hope that Neo will finally choose the other door.

2. All the previous One's chose the left door, saving Trinity and letting

Zion fall. So this time is no different. But the Architect does say, "You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated," and also, "this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it," - assuming the Architect isn't lying, then they have already destroyed Zion (i.e., Zion has fallen) five times - i.e., the result of going through the left door. Morpheus and Trinity are programs. Morpheus's purpose was to find the One and deliver him to the Architect. Trinity's purpose is to control the One by getting in love with him. Trinity is supposed to be the mother of the new One every time the Matrix is Reloaded. That's why the sex scene was so important and why she was named Trinity. The Architect says, "she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it." He was correct though because she did die just like Neo did in the first Matrix (Oracle said he or Morpheus would, and she didn't lie, but he came back to life). Trinity dies, but comes back to life (we are using medical definition of death in all this of course!). The Architect has already laid down an ultimatum for Neo choosing the left door: The Architect - "Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race." Neo - "You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive." The Architect - "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world." Looking at this further, the Architect does say "coupled" with the extermination of Zion will the human race be exterminated. So he says everyone connected to the Matrix will die, but if Zion is not exterminated, the human race will not necessarily die. Also, there is likely to be a time-window between not going through the right door, and the cataclysmic crash, thus allowing Neo to unplug as many as possible from the Matrix, then those people won't die. This will be the start of the next Zion. As for the Matrix, a cataclysmic crash doesn't mean the end of the Matrix - just needs rebooting or reloading!
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Agent Smith explained

Agent Smith is the only "human" in this world. He's the one spreading

himself like a virus replicating himself over and over until the Matrix will

finally get overloaded and fail. Smith is the one who wants to get out of

the Matrix for good. He said so in the first Matrix, "I must get out of

here, I must get free! And in this mind, is the key," squeezing Morpheus's

temples, "my key! Once Zion is destroyed, there is no need for me to be

here!"

Smith knows that by killing Neo he can escape the Matrix because Neo is the

key to resetting the Matrix, or to shut it off. It was originally killing

Neo (in the first Matrix) that allowed Smith to become powerful (cloning

ability) - so killing Neo again will allow him to gain Neo's powers

completely, and thus gain the power to shut down the Matrix.

So where the hell did Smith come from if he wants to destroy the Matrix?

He's obviously not meant to be there - he's a computer virus as he has every

characteristic of a virus - he multiplies and spreads and infects (and

emulates) other programs like one. He is exactly as he described humans at

the end of the first Matrix - "You move to an area and you multiply and

multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can

survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this

planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus."

But who put him there? This will only be revealed in Revolutions

(Revelations?) I guess - but I'm betting on humans in the real real world,

i.e., outside of Zion and the Matrix. They're at war with the machines and

trying to destroy them by infecting them with this virus - Agent Smith. So

the irony with this theory is that Agent Smith represents the human race!!

Neo represents the machines! Agent Smith says to Neo just after he's seen

the Oracle that he became free when Neo destroyed him in the first Matrix

(remember when Neo entered his body and exploded him from inside out) - as a

virus, Smith has the ability to "inherit" other programs' abilities and thus

inherited some of Neo's.



The anomaly explained

The anomaly is all the humans that do not accept the Matrix. The Architect

says "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent

to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly,

which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what

is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden

to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure

of control." This includes Neo, but Neo's Matrix avatar is attached with the

One program so that he can follow his purpose as explained earlier under

"The One explained". However, he is also supposed to protect himself and

destroy anything that gets in his way - i.e., Agent Smith - so that he may

fulfil his purpose.

Further proving Neo - and other non-accepters of the Matrix - are the

anomaly, the Architect says, "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an

unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix." The clue

here is Neo's program name - "The One". Take one-third for example. 1 over 3

is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so must

accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3, you

get 0.99999 - never 1.00000, where has the "remainder" 0.00001 (One) gone?

This is the limitation of computers, this is the mathematical imprecision

inherent in programming (of the Matrix) and the eventuality of the One

anomaly unable to be eliminated.

What is the equation then?

Not sure, but it definitely involves pi. The Keymaker refers to the window

of time to open the door to the mainframe as 314 seconds. 3.14 is pi to

three sig. figs., or the number of radians in half a circle. Half a circle

is like the cross-section of a womb, similar to the alcove of Neo and

Trinity's love scene - conceiving the next One? "NEO", incidently, is an

anagram of "ONE". Trinity and Neo - one on one; a choice - one or one. Leads

us to 101. "101" is mentioned numerous times in Matrix 1 and Reloaded. Neo's

room at the beginning, Merovingian is on the 101st floor, the 101 freeway of

the car chase in Reloaded, then when Trinity is hacking into the power plant

system, she resets the password to Z10N0101. Freaky. Indicates that she is a

program because that's not some random password she's put in. 101 is binary

for 5, which in zero-based binary counting: 000 is 1, 001, is 2, 010 is 3,

011 is 4, 100 is 5, 101 is 6 - And this is the 6th version of the Matrix!

Then there's 303. 303 is the room Neo got shot in Matrix 1, the Oracle lives

in room 303, it's also the hotel room number Trinity is in in Matrix 1 and

it's seen at the end when Neo fights the Agents and Smith and begins to

literally see the code that makes up the Matrix. 101 x 3 = 303, a trilogy, 3

+ 0 + 3 = 6 = the 6th Matrix. Trinity means 3.



Who is the "mother" that the Architect refers to?

The Architect says, "Please," in an almost disapproving sense when Neo

suggests the Oracle, but does not reveal who it really is or even directly

that Neo is wrong. The architect was the one who created the Matrix; the

co-creator is neither Persephone nor the Oracle. Both of them are only

programs that have a purpose in the matrix, just like the rest. The

Architect is in charge of the Matrix world and the co-creator is in charge

of Zion. She has almost the same age as the Architect. Therefore, that woman

is the Head Counsellor, the only woman of importance that lives in Zion and

the one who asked for the two captains to volunteer at the council meeting.

She's the one who knew all along about the Matrix. She was the one who told

Zion's Defence Minister to cool off and to let Morpheus do his work so

things could go as planned.

Or alternatively, it could indeed be the Oracle. She is the only program

that truly wants humans to have a free choice... at the same time, she sees

the future, because she knows the program code - she is like God - which is

why Seraph protects her - see "Who is Seraph?" below.

What's so special about Neo's avatar?

Neo is a skilled hacker, and his avatar in the Matrix is based on the person

that founded the AI of the original machines that eventually took over the

world... How? Take a look at the disc he gave to the bloke at the door at

the beginning of Matrix 1. It said "DISC AI" on it. The hollowed book Neo

takes the disc out of is "Simulacra and Simulation" - a collection of essays

by the French postmodernist philosopher Jean Baudrillard. He opens it to the

section "on Nihilism" (meaning nothing is truly known, etc.). "Baudrillard's

concept of simulation is the creation of the real through conceptual or

'mythological' models which have no connection or origin in reality. The

model becomes the determinant of our perception of reality--the real." And

Morpheus says, "Welcome to the desert of the real," in Matrix 1. I'd say

this book describes The Matrix to a tee. So this disc contains the key to

the AI, and thus how to destroy the machines, so I think they'll use this

info in Revolutions to ultimately destroy the machines, which means he'll

have to go back to the nightclub and find the guy he gave it to.



Who is Seraph?

The reason Seraph (the guy Neo meets before meeting the Oracle) had golden

code and was so spectacular is that he came from the first incarnation of

the matrix, which was heaven. "Seraph" is singular for the plural

"seraphim". The seraphim are the highest choir of angels and included

amongst others: Lucifer, Gabriele, Raziel and Malaciah, and they sit on the

8th level of Heaven just one below God. So Seraph will obviously have a big

part in Revolutions, but whose side will he be on - the machines or the

humans?? That is the question.

The Twins

They are exiled programs that emulate the human myth of ghosts as the Oracle

explained. They are programs behaving badly. Persephone killed one of the

Merovingian's bodyguards with a silver bullet because he was emulating a

werewolf. So if the Twins could phase into ghost form, why didn't he when

his arm was trapped in the door of the garage? Was it because he was wounded

or because he can't phase when his arm is trapped? No of course not. The

doors of that building, when shut, always led somewhere else (usually in the

mountains) when opened again without the Keymaker's key. So if it were

slammed shut due to the Twin phasing into ghost form, the Twin's arm

would've ended up god knows where, but certainly not attached to the Twin's

body.
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look unregistered whoever u are u are right the matrix is real they made the movie so we can think its sci fi don't you get it its real but they don't want u to believe its real so they made the movie which is true so everyone can think its fake and just a movie when its not i have had dreams that felt realer then the real world i've seen real things which is a glitch in the system we live in the movie tells the truth but they use it so we cannot believe it i see through there lies u should too i do not kno if i will make it out of the system but i kno someone will when we get tired thats us being used as energy from a robot we think its becuz we didn't eat well guess wat u never ate or opened ur eyes people who disappear have unplugged theresleves from the matrix and are free i swear to u im tellin the thruth i agree with unregistered mi name is Ray

That's a schizophrenic/psychotic delusion if I ever heard one! Paranoid delusions = schizophrenia! No offence, but you should see your doctor if you think that is real! Seriously!
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Hey, i think its great that other people think like me, we are in a dream world, everyone out for themselves, grab everything you can. It amazes me walking past people sat chatting about their hair, how much money they earn these things are so trivial if they thought about it. Why doesn't everyone think deeper.I supose its because they are all "in the fur" according to Sophies World. Can anyone else relate to "the celestine prophecy" ? Its the most influencial book i've ever read, i found it by mistake and it compleatly changed my out look on life, then The Matrix came along and confirmed everything i've belived. I'd love to hear from anyone who thinks the same as me.

Isn't the celestine prophecy that book that everyone thought was real when it first came out but then it turned out to be entirely fictional and not real at all? Yes, and I think that the strange thing about it was that the authors never even claimed it to be factual at any time either, people just assumed it was!
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Now Listen Everybody, I Understand And Agree With A Few Things What You Lot Have Said But There Is Something That You Need To Know? When I Watched The Matrix I Knew That It Was A Film Made In Usa Like Everyother Film. But It Made Me Think About Things And Esspecially Gave Me Ansers To My Thoughts What Had Being On My Mind For A Long While... First Of All, I Dont Know If This Happens To You Lot Outthere But Whenever I Am Going To Do Something Or Go Somewhere, Moreless When I Am Going To Do It Something Always Goes Wrong Or Something Happens Its Like As If Everybody Is Watching Me,,, For Example Awhile Ago I Was In The Class Room And Through The Whole Lesson Everybody Sat Down All The Time And As Soon As I Moreless Decided I Was Going To Go And Get A Pair Of Scissers Without Me Saying Anything To Anybody, Majority Of The People Decided To Get Up And Start Doing Something.. Now Dontttt Start Thinking To Your Self That It Is Just A Normal Everyday Thing Cause It Isnttttt

Probably because your teacher said to the class 'alright you can get the scissors now' :rolleyes:

Ever think about that? :rolleyes:
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My response to this entire thread:

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you people need to relax...
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and how do u suggest i do that???????????????
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and how do u suggest i do that???????????????
Take a chill-pill daddio.
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and where wil i get one of these chill-pills?
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and where wil i get one of these chill-pills?
Dahn-tahn bruv.
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and how do u suggest i do that???????????????
eat chocolate, and like Mr White said, take a chill pill,youll find it at your local chemist, second shelf on the right, please go and have a look
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Dahn-tahn bruv.
"sis" (if u must) actually...and y u speakin weird 2day....ur english is very respectable, usually
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I agree. To hamidreza, who is Psycho? Why does he say humans think all wrong? And what truth did you say that is BAD?
yes thats right they think just they know the truth
and i mean that is bad (psyco)
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yes thats right they think just they know the truth
and i mean that is bad (psyco)
Whit?!
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Is the matrix real?
Of course it isn't. :cool:
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thats what im thinkin...

and is the matrix real? u might as well ask if the eighth dimension is real; how the hell do we know... but its a nifty yet scary idea that machines control us and everything around us

i dont believe it is real b/cuz hot guys like keanu dont turn up to hack into the matrix and save the world; it would be an ugly old fat guy or pimply loser compupter whiz hacking into the matrix... the real world doesnt have cute hackers
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yes thats right they think just they know the truth
and i mean that is bad (psyco)
cool. gotcha. yeah well i am always speculating. I never assume anything. I just like to be open to ideas and all sorts. I am not sure what is true and what isn't, but all I know, is that I would really hate for my life to be false in any way and for me to be controlled beyond my will by someone/something else. But if that isn't the case, then coolness. I hope my life is long and prosperous and everyones should be.
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matrix is real!
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