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    "The Aussies have a points system and they say to come to Australia you must be under 45 years of age, you must have a skill or a trade that will bring a benefit to our country.

    They say if you have a life threatening disease, I'm sorry but we can't accommodate you. They say if you have a serious criminal record we won't have you...

    What they also say is we don't care whether you're black or white or yellow or what your religion is but if you come to our country and you come here to take citizenship you become part of us and you become part of our Australian dream, namely the integrationist message. That is exactly what we should be doing."


    So true!!! Farage talks sense and would make a great prime minister.

    Vote UKIP.
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    The quote makes sense but I have a feeling leaving the EU won't be a good thing for the economy. Investors will be lost with the decline of activity in the EU market. A renegotiation is definately needed but leaving isn't. I fear the public is in favour of leaving just because of the infamous "They're stealing our jobs".
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    (Original post by Wolf11)
    The quote makes sense but I have a feeling leaving the EU won't be a good thing for the economy. Investors will be lost with the decline of activity in the EU market.
    We are the fastest growing economy in the world and the sixth largest in the world, why would anyone want to stop investing here? The UK also imports more goods from the EU than we give to it, so if they did stop trading with us then it would be a significant disadvantage to them financially.

    (Original post by Wolf11)
    I fear the public is in favour of leaving just because of the infamous "They're stealing our jobs".
    Yes, if you have uncontrolled access into 27 countries then some of the jobs will be taken from the native citizens, it is expected. But not this point exclusively as people have begun to realise that they want to have a say on who represents them and don't want to be a part of a multi-nation European state.
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    (Original post by Sanctimonious)
    "The Aussies have a points system and they say to come to Australia you must be under 45 years of age, you must have a skill or a trade that will bring a benefit to our country.

    They say if you have a life threatening disease, I'm sorry but we can't accommodate you. They say if you have a serious criminal record we won't have you...

    What they also say is we don't care whether you're black or white or yellow or what your religion is but if you come to our country and you come here to take citizenship you become part of us and you become part of our Australian dream, namely the integrationist message. That is exactly what we should be doing."


    So true!!! Farage talks sense and would make a great prime minister.

    Vote UKIP.
    I've never been a fan of a points based system personally. While it has advantages it does so in a complicated way that requires government to know best and can be restrictive (what of I want to start a business or change career).

    I'd keep the health and criminal requirements then simply create preferential labour agreements with countries that have a GDP per capita above 30k in which provided the immigrant can provide proof of gcse standard English and maths, they can essentially buy citizenship for 5k subject to a review in which the immigrant must prove they've been employed or in,full time education for 1 year.
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    We already have a points based system.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    We already have a points based system.
    For Europe no we don't.
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    (Original post by Jacob-C)
    We are the fastest growing economy in the world and the sixth largest in the world, why would anyone want to stop investing here? The UK also imports more goods from the EU than we give to it, so if they did stop trading with us then it would be a significant disadvantage to them financially.
    The reason we are the "the fastest growing economy in the world and the sixth largest in the world" is partly because we have great access to EU and have the bps. Financial and technological corporations overseas simply won't have as much incentive to invest in UK as there'll be less links to the whole of EU. Also, less customers - the UK might not be the hub of diversity anymore - as there will be less immigrants coming here and spending.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    We already have a points based system.
    A points based system that is full of holes.
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    (Original post by Jacob-C)
    We are the fastest growing economy in the world and the sixth largest in the world, why would anyone want to stop investing here?
    Has it occured to you that a big reason for people to invest here and our economic success is because of our access to the EU?
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Has it occured to you that a big reason for people to invest here and our economic success is because of our access to the EU?
    Yes but doesn't mean they stop because we have left the European Union. We do get benefits from the EU but the negatives greatly out way the positives. Do people invest in the United States even though it's not a member of the EU?
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Has it occured to you that a big reason for people to invest here and our economic success is because of our access to the EU?
    You don't need to be in the EU to trade with EU countries. Norway is doing just fine in the EEA due to an EFTA and they have a much smaller population than us.

    We would still buy and sell to the EU block. The notion we wouldn't is hilarious scaremongering by federalist EU idiots like Clegg.
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    (Original post by Sanctimonious)
    You don't need to be in the EU to trade with EU countries. Norway is doing just fine in the EEA due to an EFTA and they have a much smaller population than us.

    We would still buy and sell to the EU block. The notion we wouldn't is hilarious scaremongering by federalist EU idiots like Clegg.
    Don't they still have to abide by all the rules and regulations in order to trade... without having a say in what those rules are?

    That doesn't sound like a good deal.
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    (Original post by Jacob-C)
    We are the fastest growing economy in the world and the sixth largest in the world, why would anyone want to stop investing here? The UK also imports more goods from the EU than we give to it, so if they did stop trading with us then it would be a significant disadvantage to them financially.


    Yes, if you have uncontrolled access into 27 countries then some of the jobs will be taken from the native citizens, it is expected. But not this point exclusively as people have begun to realise that they want to have a say on who represents them and don't want to be a part of a multi-nation European state.

    This.
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    (Original post by Jacob-C)
    Yes but doesn't mean they stop because we have left the European Union. We do get benefits from the EU but the negatives greatly out way the positives. Do people invest in the United States even though it's not a member of the EU?
    It might do.

    These investors, at the moment, get theirselves access to the EU. This would not happen should the UK leave.

    Whilst access to the (massive) EU market is not the only consideration, one has to wonder what would happen should an investor consider two potential locations with similar benefits... but one is in the EU and the other is not?
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Don't they still have to abide by all the rules and regulations in order to trade... without having a say in what those rules are?

    That doesn't sound like a good deal.
    Yes because that's what they agreed to join. We would set up our own deal to suit us and as a country massively more populated and with a strong economy we would do just fine. The only reason Clegg and company don't want to do it is it means negotiating deals for us and earning the money the British taxpayers pay them. Far easier for Cameron to let the buffoons in Brussels sort it all and he can hit the bowls club with his friends in the political elite.

    Pulling out of the EU would mean more work for politicians and we all know how workshy they are. Won't get them serving someone in Subway now will you?
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    (Original post by Sanctimonious)
    Yes because that's what they agreed to join. We would set up our own deal to suit us
    Ah yes of course.

    We would pull out. Then we would make a deal which suits us, because for some reason we are some massive exception, and then all the other member States will agree to it. Then we will all go down to the pub and have a nice pint.

    I don't know what deal you think we would strike:

    UK leaves but can trade without having to follow EU regulations etc
    UK leaves, has to obey EU regulations but gets a say in those regulations... despite not being a member of the Union.

    Both are laughable.
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    (Original post by Sanctimonious)
    Yes because that's what they agreed to join. We would set up our own deal to suit us and as a country massively more populated and with a strong economy we would do just fine. The only reason Clegg and company don't want to do it is it means negotiating deals for us and earning the money the British taxpayers pay them. Far easier for Cameron to let the buffoons in Brussels sort it all and he can hit the bowls club with his friends in the political elite.

    Pulling out of the EU would mean more work for politicians and we all know how workshy they are. Won't get them serving someone in Subway now will you?
    'with a strong economy we would do just fine' but we don't have a strong economy: all our growth is based around a housing bubble in London. We rely too much on financial services for our own good, too much of an asymmetric economy.

    What would make us so different that we could negotiate our own little special deal? We'd be offered the same deal as other nations in the EEA i.e free trade but with no voting power.. which just happens to be the opposite of what UKIP wants i.e more voting power in the EU and less EU regulation in the UK.
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    (Original post by Jacob-C)
    We are the fastest growing economy in the world and the sixth largest in the world, why would anyone want to stop investing here? The UK also imports more goods from the EU than we give to it, so if they did stop trading with us then it would be a significant disadvantage to them financially.

    Yes, if you have uncontrolled access into 27 countries then some of the jobs will be taken from the native citizens, it is expected. But not this point exclusively as people have begun to realise that they want to have a say on who represents them and don't want to be a part of a multi-nation European state.
    The fastest growing economy?! :eek: This is news to me. May you please provide a source for that?

    Alternatively, one could argue that the UK would be more disadvantaged than EU. Member states would still have access to the large free market. In other words, they can sell their goods elsewhere (with the remaining states becoming more competitive than the UK due to the absense of tariffs).
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Ah yes of course.

    We would pull out. Then we would make a deal which suits us, because for some reason we are some massive exception, and then all the other member States will agree to it. Then we will all go down to the pub and have a nice pint.

    I don't know what deal you think we would strike:

    UK leaves but can trade without having to follow EU regulations etc
    UK leaves, has to obey EU regulations but gets a say in those regulations... despite not being a member of the Union.

    Both are laughable.
    Who said that? Talk about going off on a tangent. Funny how so many other non EU countries have deals with the EU block but they are not members of the EU.

    http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/polic...e/index_en.htm

    Even if our economy halved in terms of GDP (it wouldn't) we would still have a GDP comparable to Mexico, a country that has a FTA with the EU.

    Tell me more about Chile's GDP? Oh wait....still has a FTA with the EU.

    Funnily enough France or Spain will probably be the first to go. Given Frances anti Semitic party rise, Front National, I'd go with them exiting.

    Germany, the UK, France and Italy are the 4 largest economies in the EU. Spain, another country heading towards exit is the 5th.

    If France pull out the EU zone economy in terms of GDP takes a $2.6trn hit. If we pull out that's another $2.4trn hit. That's $5trn. This is very likely given the current trends of Euroscepticism.

    The EU in terms of GDP then stands at $12trn. Spain pull out. The EU then loses another $1.4trn. That leaves the EU on $10.6trn. A lot weaker than it originally was in terms of economic power and bargaining.

    By the way germany is now having to support the other countries in Europe due to other countries like the UK, France and Spain pulling out. Unlikely to happen and the EU would likely collapse. Germany would not be interested in propping up the other countries alone.

    If it didnt the EU would go from the first largest economy in terms of GDP to the second and only slightly ahead of China. It would be much weaker without us, France and Spain in it in terms of GDP.

    There's also nothing stopping us, France and Spain setting up a Western Europe Economic Alliance with our own rules to suit such as no free movement with a combined GDP of around $6.4trn.

    As an alliance we would be the 4th largest joint economic block in the world, ahead of Germany and other countries like Japan and we would have own rules.

    The three countries of the five main countries threatening to leave the EU would leave it significantly weaker and probably lead to Germany and Italy saying no more and ending the project or breaking it down.

    The simple fact is with every country with a strong economy that leaves the EU the block itself gets significantly weaker and favours us in terms of negotiating and so on. Just us leaving alone makes the EU fall behind the USA in terms of GDP. That would be a massive blow to them in terms of international bargaining power and their trading partners may start to worry that another large EU economy may pull out and so forth.

    The UK economy would probably take an initial hit in terms of the economy but it would not be as bad as Clegg would like you to think.
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    (Original post by Sanctimonious)
    "The Aussies have a points system and they say to come to Australia you must be under 45 years of age, you must have a skill or a trade that will bring a benefit to our country.

    They say if you have a life threatening disease, I'm sorry but we can't accommodate you. They say if you have a serious criminal record we won't have you...

    What they also say is we don't care whether you're black or white or yellow or what your religion is but if you come to our country and you come here to take citizenship you become part of us and you become part of our Australian dream, namely the integrationist message. That is exactly what we should be doing."


    So true!!! Farage talks sense and would make a great prime minister.

    Vote UKIP.
    UKIP are a bunch of fruitcakes, loonies and now not so closet racists, so no I bloody won't vote UKIP.

    PS. What you should be saying is: "Think gay people cause floods? Vote UKIP. Think Lenny Henry should be deported? Vote UKIP. Bit of an idiot? Vote UKIP!"
 
 
 
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