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    Metrication (Amendment) Act 2014
    An Act to amend the Metrication (Completion) Act 2014 by making adjustments to drink sales, food and travel.

    1 | Definition
    (1) A "metric" unit is defined to be any unit of measurement that meets the definition in Section 1(1) of the Metrication (Completion) Act 2014.
    (2) The term mile refers to the statute mile or the land mile.
    (3) The official symbol for the mile is "mi".

    2 | General traffic signs
    (1) Section 3 of the Metrication (Completion) Act 2014 is hereby repealed.
    (2) Distances of under 2km are displayed in metres only.
    (3) Distances of over 2km are displayed in both kilometres and miles.
    (4) All traffic signs should roughly follow the approved design in Appendix 1.
    (5) All traffic signs must meet the regulations of this Act within 36 months of commencement.

    3 | Speed limit signs
    (1) The maximum speed limit on motorways is 120km.
    (2) The maximum speed limit on non-motorway roads may not exceed 100km.
    (3) A speed limit for a road must be chosen from one of the approved values in Schedule 1.
    (4) Speed limit signs should follow roughly one of the designs in Appendix 2 and -
    (a) must display the speed limit in both miles per hour and kilometres per hour.
    (5) On a road where the maximum speed limit is displayed as x mi/h and y km/h, the legally enforced limit is defined to be \lceil $max$ \{ 1.609344x , y \} \rceil km/h.
    (6) Electronic speed limit signs use km/h only.
    (7) All speed limit signs must meet the regulations of this Act within 36 months of commencement.

    4 | Sale of drinks
    (1) Section 4 of the Metrication (Completion) Act 2014 is hereby repealed.
    (2) Any organisation that sells any sort of drink (alcoholic or non-alcoholic) may sell and market any of their drinks in non-metric quantities.
    (3) Manufacturers may produce, sell and market their drinks in non-metric quantities.
    (a) Clear labeling of the metric equivalent must be included as the prominent measurement on the bottle/can/container.
    (4) Establishments selling alcohol for consumption on the premises must clearly publish:
    (a) the price per 100ml
    (b) the price per imperial pint
    (c) the number of units of alcohol in each drink available.

    5 | Sale of food
    (1) Food products may be sold and marketed in non-metric quantities with the requirement that metric labelling is also prominently displayed on the packaging.

    6 | Commencement
    (1) This Act may be cited as the Metrication (Amendment) Act 2014.
    (2) This bill shall extend to the United Kingdom; and
    (3) Shall come into force immediately upon Royal Assent.


    Schedule 1
    Approved speed limits

    10km/h with 5mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 10km/h)
    20km/h with 10mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 20km/h)
    30km/h with 20mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 33km/h)
    40km/h with 25mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 41km/h)
    50km/h with 30mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 50km/h)
    60km/h with 40mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 65km/h)
    70km/h with 45mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 73km/h)
    80km/h with 50mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 81km/h)
    90km/h with 55mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 90km/h)
    100km/h with 60mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 100km/h)
    120km/h with 75mi/h (Legally enforced limit: 121km/h)



    Appendix 1

    This is an artists conception of how the signs should look:

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    Appendix 2

    Here are three possibilities for how the signs shall look:

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    Notes

    Do you know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in TSR-land?

    What this bill does:
    >The abolition of the non-metric "metric pint". It isn't any more metric than the true pint. So we're bringing the real one rather than the arbitrary artificial one dreamt up in TSR Government HQ. Non-metric labelling is still required though, so metric enthusiasts need not worry.

    >You are no longer forced to eat a Royale with Cheese, as food can be served and marketed in non-metric quantities again. The metric units must still be featured!

    >Road signs must display both units in most cases except where it would be problematic to do so. Speed limits are displayed in both units, rounded off to nicer numbers for each one. When the two values of x km/h and y mi/h differ and one wants to know what the legally enforced limit on that road is, we start by converting the two values into km/h. Then the maximum of these two values is found. That maximum is thrown through the ceiling function to give a natural number in km/h, and that's the limit that is enforced. (Note: The ceiling function rounds a number up to the next integer. The ceiling of x is written as \lceil x \rceil. So \lceil 2.8 \rceil becomes 3, \lceil 3.0000000001 \rceil becomes 4, \lceil 4 \rceil becomes 4, etc. This ensures motorists are never caught out, whilst the numbers may differ considerably, they'll be safe no matter which one they follow.)

    >The speed limit has also been slightly increased on motorways, that may prove controversial. Just seems like a good time to do it really.

    The original Act can be found here.
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    Keep the pound, the ounce, etc. None of this metric roadsigns at all. Pints of wine or bacardi under this proposal??!!!

    I'd support a repeal of all this metric nonsense. When we annex France and restore the boundaries of the realm of the fourteenth century, let our reacquired French territories learn the imperial measures instead of all these measurements dreamed up by Robespierre and Napoleon.

    No half measures when it comes to metric measurement repeal.
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    What about cars only fitted with an imperial speedometer

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    So we're going to have dual units on road signs? How will that help legibility, especially at speed? Of course rounding means that measurements will not necessarily be the same in both either. This is absolute nonsense.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    What about cars only fitted with an imperial speedometer
    Good question. This bill has the answer by putting both units on the signs.

    (Original post by O133)
    So we're going to have dual units on road signs? How will that help legibility, especially at speed? Of course rounding means that measurements will not necessarily be the same in both either. This is absolute nonsense.
    Personal judgement, a basic understanding of the highway code, a basic understanding of both units and being illiterate negates the clarity debate. Say a sign said 30mph and 50km/h in a residential area. The driver only saw 50 but not the units. As it's a residential area the highway code dictates the speed limit is around 30mph. Therefore a driver will instantly realise after piecing both bits together the 50 must be in km/h.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Keep the pound, the ounce, etc. None of this metric roadsigns at all. Pints of wine or bacardi under this proposal??!!!

    I'd support a repeal of all this metric nonsense. When we annex France and restore the boundaries of the realm of the fourteenth century, let our reacquired French territories learn the imperial measures instead of all these measurements dreamed up by Robespierre and Napoleon.

    No half measures when it comes to metric measurement repeal.
    There won't be pints of wine, businesses can sell drinks by "non-metric quantities" but that doesn't mean they are forced to sell it in pints, they'll still serve it by the glass, which is equivalent to 250ml. The drinks bit is only really in here so that TSR-land can lose that awful metric pint idea.

    Current TSR-law asks pubs to publish the price per litre which at a guess is there for price comparative purposes, although I'm beginning to wonder if we should abandon that entirely rather than go with the amendment's plan: which is to just replace the price pre litre with price per 100ml and also price per pint. Basically that can be hammered out in another reading depending on feedback but the general point being made is that price per litre is a reasonably useless comparison given that drinks are usually served in 25ml, 250ml, 284ml, 330ml and 568ml. It makes sense to use a starting point which is vastly below a usual serving size, if anything it just gives more meaningful numbers. It's easier to compare by the 1 ml, but as those numbers will be so small that it helps to scale that up to a more appropriate 100ml, which is understandably why supermarkets use it. It doesn't do us any favours when drinking shots given that they are 25ml, but in that case you'd just compare by the shot price anyway like everyone does now.

    (Original post by Aph)
    What about cars only fitted with an imperial speedometer

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    Unfortunately under current TSR law which forbids the use of imperial at all for government purposes, there is a complete disregard for these sorts of cars entirely. The amending bill that we have here today does improve it for those cars, by ensuring that speed limits and distances are put in both imperial and metric rather than the current TSR system of only using metric.

    The only place where it isn't feasible to use both is on the motorway electronic signs, no-one can do anything about that, but in every other situation, it's better now than it was I think.

    (Original post by O133)
    So we're going to have dual units on road signs? How will that help legibility, especially at speed? Of course rounding means that measurements will not necessarily be the same in both either. This is absolute nonsense.
    Yes, yes we are. I'd be much happier with getting rid of km on roadsigns entirely but I suspect you'd have even more problems with that

    It's not a problem for distance signs. Even when driving at speed, you've got at least 10 seconds to look at that sign. If our brains are currently good enough to process a list of locations, pick one and pick a number sitting next to it then they are perfectly good enough to differentiate between two numbers and decide which one it likes. You do it in a fraction of a second. We'll all learn pretty quickly to just look at one side of the table, the signs will be standardised. If you like km then it's left, else it's right. Simples. If someone can't master that level of extremely basic attention on the road then I'll be damned if I'm letting them drive a car at all. Those signs are only there to give a brief overview anyway, and are currently rounded up IRL and on TSR as is.

    If you're talking about speed signs, then that is a slightly more understandable objection. It's been designed so that the km/h uses a slightly smaller font than the mi/h, which is easy to recognise even at speed given that traditional speed limit signs are used in fairly low speed areas. After that, a similar logic applies as before: mi/h on top and km/h on bottom. Having both numbers is not particularly uncommon outside of the United Kingdom anyway. Below is just one of many examples:

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    This is done in a few parts of America:



    Though most just use mi/h
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Keep the pound, the ounce, etc. None of this metric roadsigns at all. Pints of wine or bacardi under this proposal??!!!

    I'd support a repeal of all this metric nonsense. When we annex France and restore the boundaries of the realm of the fourteenth century, let our reacquired French territories learn the imperial measures instead of all these measurements dreamed up by Robespierre and Napoleon.

    No half measures when it comes to metric measurement repeal.
    Have you taken over TSR UKIP? I mean the writing of the schedule onwards reads much like your own stuff normally does.

    Nay to the Bill though - it's pointless tinkering.
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    Having both numbers is not particularly uncommon outside of the United Kingdom anyway. Below is just one of many examples:

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    This is done in a few parts of America:



    Though most just use mi/h
    No, it's only done in select areas of the US (and possibly Canada). Every other country is happy with km/h and km/h alone.
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    (Original post by O133)
    No, it's only done in select areas of the US (and possibly Canada). Every other country is happy with km/h and km/h alone.
    Well that's exactly what I said. Not that other countries doing something really means anything, but I'm just trying to illustrate that this wasn't pulled out of nowhere. It does exist in certain parts of the world, and I don't think it would cause confusion. Steps have actually been taken to ensure that at whatever way you look at it, it's pretty clear which is km/h and which is mi/h.

    Samoa also does it, but not nearly as nicely as is proposed in this bill:



    Those signs are horrifically designed!
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    Well that's exactly what I said. Not that other countries doing something really means anything, but I'm just trying to illustrate that this wasn't pulled out of nowhere. It does exist in certain parts of the world, and I don't think it would cause confusion. Steps have actually been taken to ensure that at whatever way you look at it, it's pretty clear which is km/h and which is mi/h.

    Samoa also does it, but not nearly as nicely as is proposed in this bill:

    Those signs are horrifically designed!
    It's still not necessary to spend money on a second sign, unlike the Government's conversion to metric which will allow signs to be converted using sticky-backed vinyl for around £50 each IIRC.

    PS: Kudos for using the correct abbreviation mi/h though.
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    (Original post by O133)
    It's still not necessary to spend money on a second sign, unlike the Government's conversion to metric which will allow signs to be converted using sticky-backed vinyl for around £50 each IIRC.

    PS: Kudos for using the correct abbreviation mi/h though.
    We've got loadsa money in TSR-land given that our deficit is something like £30bn lower and we may as well start spending because it's been sitting around for two years whilst everything else rots away given that we've taken a massive chunk of the UK economy away without even reinvesting it. Replacing signs won't be particularly pricey anyway. These signs usually get replaced every ten years and with only a small bit of tinkering, the bill could take that to its advantage, like Ireland did in metrication. So whilst it would be slightly costly than what would have happened before, we could just replace them when they need to replaced and then the cost isn't nearly as big as you'd think. It couldn't be more than a few million which is a drop in the ocean especially when spread out over a long period.

    (Yep, the use of m for miles or mph or anything like that always annoys me :awesome: To be honest I don't particularly like using "/" in units either, but I thought that \textrm{km} \: \textrm{h}^{-1} would be too confusing for the average motorist.)
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      No this isn't metrication, you're allowing miles to still be used. Metrication means no more Imperial.

      Section 3.1 and 3.2 need to have the /h added to the end of 120km and 100km respectively making them 120 km/h and 100 km/h as you're talking speed not distance. Section 4 should be scrapped, once again if you're letting people go willy nilly with the units then this isn't metrication at all.

      TSR UKIP I didn't expect much to improve and you sure delivered.
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      (Original post by toronto353)
      Have you taken over TSR UKIP? I mean the writing of the schedule onwards reads much like your own stuff normally does.

      Nay to the Bill though - it's pointless tinkering.
      I'm no fan of UKIP but want to keep the pound and all of our traditional imperial measurements.
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      No. Completely unnecessary, a waste of time, resources & money.
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      (Original post by PhysicsKid)
      No. Completely unnecessary, a waste of time, resources & money.
      Completely unlike the Government bill which forced all pubs to buy new glasses, made no provision for school and also meant that all signs had to be replaced then?
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      (Original post by Cryptographic)
      made no provision for school
      What provision needed to be made for school?
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      (Original post by O133)
      What provision needed to be made for school?
      See Jarred's post in the First reading.
     
     
     
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