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    If The United States is ever going to rid us of the plague that is George Bush, Nader must not run. Every time he runs, he splits the Democratic vote and gives the win to Bush. Even though Ralph "claims" that he doesn't like Bush, I believe he has actually been paid by George to run. Any thoughts on this?
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    (Original post by Kaumeyeri)
    If The United States is ever going to rid us of the plague that is George Bush, Nader must not run. Every time he runs, he splits the Democratic vote and gives the win to Bush. Even though Ralph "claims" that he doesn't like Bush, I believe he has actually been paid by George to run. Any thoughts on this?
    I agree. If george bush is elected again, i am moving away.
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    The Dems only have themselves to blame. Perhaps if they weren't so largely indistinguishable from the Repubs then people might feel motivated to vote for them.
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    You are willing to comprimise democracy to get the vote you want?

    The Democrat vote is not split, those people want to vote for the Greens, they see the Dems as a second choice party.
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    (Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
    The Democrat vote is not split, those people want to vote for the Greens, they see the Dems as a second choice party.
    The problem this year is that Nader isn't even running on the Green party ticket. He's going at it alone, without the support of even what could be considered a fringe party.

    I have a lot of respect for what he did before he got into politics: he's responsible for a lot of the environment and safety legislation from when he was a lobbyist. But I think considering what has happenned in the past three years with Bush as president, you can't really say there is no difference between the Dems and the Republicans.
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    yes but nader has no real chance of winning what so over. He will only suck up votes for kerry.
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    yes but nader has no real chance of winning what so over. He will only suck up votes for kerry.
    Kerry is hardly a better alternative.
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    (Original post by corey)
    Kerry is hardly a better alternative.
    better then bush though.
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    better then bush though.
    Whats Kerry's policy on gay marridge/immigration+outsourcing?
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    Why not just have an instant runoff???
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    Neither are contrary to democratic principles ... they happen all the time - people vote for their second choice to keep out those they wish to exclude.

    Democracy is just as much about excluding a candidate as choosing one.
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    (Original post by corey)
    Whats Kerry's policy on gay marriage/immigration+outsourcing?
    Kerry thinks a marriage is between a man and a women.

    Kerry may be nominally against outsourcing when trawling for labour votes, but is essentially "free trade".
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    (Original post by llama boy)
    Kerry thinks a marriage is between a man and a women.

    Kerry may be nominally against outsourcing when trawling for labour votes, but is essentially "free trade".
    *sigh* Does America ever get any socially liberal major candidates?
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    (Original post by corey)
    *sigh* Does America ever get any socially liberal major candidates?
    Occasionally, but they get trounced.
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    (Original post by corey)
    *sigh* Does America ever get any socially liberal major candidates?
    Some of them are liberal - In fact I am pretty sure that Kerry IS... as was Gore... however its a matter of political reality.

    In the end politics mean that Politicians can't speak their minds; if they do... they can't win.

    However it cuts both ways - Bush might well wan't a theocratic, unilateralistic, and heavily right wing country - but politics prevents it ... to an extent

    Also - in the US - "Liberal" is something of a four letter word... its used accusatorily - essentially equated with "wishy washy", idealistic, and weak.
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    (Original post by Lawzzzzzz)
    Some of them are liberal - In fact I am pretty sure that Kerry IS... as was Gore... however its a matter of political reality.

    In the end politics mean that Politicians can't speak their minds; if they do... they can't win.

    However it cuts both ways - Bush might well wan't a theocratic, unilateralistic, and heavily right wing country - but politics prevents it ... to an extent

    Also - in the US - "Liberal" is something of a four letter word... its used accusatorily - essentially equated with "wishy washy", idealistic, and weak.

    Kind of like Dean. Any emotion at all and you are down the drain.
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    Kerry is a govt man and on both sides of every issue. He says he`ll create 10 million jobs, yes thats "10 million govt jobs" that WE will have to pay for, just so he can say he "created jobs". Any idiot could make govt jobs, Kerrys problem is he will not only do that, he will raise taxes to all time highs. Exactly what is it about Bush you all dont like? Is it because he has a texas accent? Is it because he believes in the free enterprise system and wants people to succeed on their own efforts and not depend on govt? Even now after the his smallest tax breaks, if you make a million dollars in a year working, almost $400,000 goes to the govt. Imagine what it would be under the most liberal democrat in congress. We had 8 years of handouts to the liberals with Clinton. The INTERNET caused the job bubble under Clintons watch and it popped in his last year in office. Democracy and free enterprise works by giving each side of the parties their time to do whats right for their constituents. Everyone says Bush is for corporations, well maybe that is true, but we wouldnt have a nation without those big corporations. And high taxes are one reason our jobs are going to third world countries. Dont let your personal hate of someone cloud the reality of how economics work, or we will come crashing down economically.
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    (Original post by Lawzzzzzz)
    Some of them are liberal - In fact I am pretty sure that Kerry IS... as was Gore... however its a matter of political reality.

    In the end politics mean that Politicians can't speak their minds; if they do... they can't win.

    However it cuts both ways - Bush might well wan't a theocratic, unilateralistic, and heavily right wing country - but politics prevents it ... to an extent

    Also - in the US - "Liberal" is something of a four letter word... its used accusatorily - essentially equated with "wishy washy", idealistic, and weak.
    Quite true. I just can't understand the argument against gay marridge though...it was *utter* hell debating against it.
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    (Original post by FoxNewsRocks)
    Kerry is a govt man and on both sides of every issue. He says he`ll create 10 million jobs, yes thats "10 million govt jobs" that WE will have to pay for, just so he can say he "created jobs". Any idiot could make govt jobs, Kerrys problem is he will not only do that, he will raise taxes to all time highs. Exactly what is it about Bush you all dont like? Is it because he has a texas accent? Is it because he believes in the free enterprise system and wants people to succeed on their own efforts and not depend on govt? Even now after the his smallest tax breaks, if you make a million dollars in a year working, almost $400,000 goes to the govt. Imagine what it would be under the most liberal democrat in congress. We had 8 years of handouts to the liberals with Clinton. The INTERNET caused the job bubble under Clintons watch and it popped in his last year in office. Democracy and free enterprise works by giving each side of the parties their time to do whats right for their constituents. Everyone says Bush is for corporations, well maybe that is true, but we wouldnt have a nation without those big corporations. And high taxes are one reason our jobs are going to third world countries. Dont let your personal hate of someone cloud the reality of how economics work, or we will come crashing down economically.
    sorry i dont understand what you are saying about he dot com bubble? im not trying to be nasty but i was wondering if you could expand on that point.
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    (Original post by FoxNewsRocks)
    Kerry is a govt man and on both sides of every issue. He says he`ll create 10 million jobs, yes thats "10 million govt jobs" that WE will have to pay for, just so he can say he "created jobs". Any idiot could make govt jobs, Kerrys problem is he will not only do that, he will raise taxes to all time highs. Exactly what is it about Bush you all dont like? Is it because he has a texas accent? Is it because he believes in the free enterprise system and wants people to succeed on their own efforts and not depend on govt? Even now after the his smallest tax breaks, if you make a million dollars in a year working, almost $400,000 goes to the govt. Imagine what it would be under the most liberal democrat in congress. We had 8 years of handouts to the liberals with Clinton. The INTERNET caused the job bubble under Clintons watch and it popped in his last year in office. Democracy and free enterprise works by giving each side of the parties their time to do whats right for their constituents. Everyone says Bush is for corporations, well maybe that is true, but we wouldnt have a nation without those big corporations. And high taxes are one reason our jobs are going to third world countries. Dont let your personal hate of someone cloud the reality of how economics work, or we will come crashing down economically.
    The Bush economy is in crisis! You have huge tax cuts, and massive increases in government spending and although your growth has been low and you can 'play catch-up' to some extent...the mass increase of AD is unsustainable.

    America also have huges problems (that Bush has failed to address) with the Balance of Payments deficit. Bush has sought a short-term fix to give the 'feel-good' factor back into the US economy to help re-election rather than looking at long-term consequences.
 
 
 
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