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    I just saw a very good documentary on BBC1 about immigration and its effects, presented by Alan Sugar's aides, Nick Hewer and Margaret.

    I'm English and have been employed for a number of years now. This show really made me want to get my thoughts out about immigration. What gets my goat is the way immigrants fail to accept responsibility for anything and scapegoat English people for everything. It's as if they cannot even comprehend that coming over in huge numbers is of no disadvantage to the people of this country.

    Firstly, I will say something in favour of immigrants. Although I disagree with the idea that ALL English people are lazy etc (which I believe to be a racist opinion held by immigrants/employers) compared to immigrants, I do think that some English people could learn from the work ethic of immigrants, many of whom but NOT all, work hard. For example this programme showed a pretty lousy, unenthusiastic, big English lump who from what I saw was far too laid back and lacking drive. My opinion is that the 'lazy' Brits that foreigners go on about, stem predominantly from working class backgrounds and settle in non-academic trades. I'm talking about Brits who go into labour jobs such as the building trade etc ..... But even then alot of them work very hard, they're just not very bright/driven and don't appear academic and so people pick up on that and put them into this bracket of 'lazy, racist brits' kind of thing.

    Iimmigrants/foreigners use these not so bright Brits as a way to generalise British youth as a whole, but fail to accept that their mass numbers overpopulate specific industries, or housing, or school places etc etc. It's all well and good Poles coming here to work, and actually many do have a fantastic working spirit for which I admire. However we don't need most of them as the large majority come to work in labour trades such as the building/construction area. We don't need any more imports in this industry. If there are too many applicants for a role, it is to the employers' financial benefit to employ someone who will take lower pay, which will be an immigrant due to their lower living costs and the fact that what they will earn will be 10x what they earn back home. You can't just blame Brits for this situation, it is not acceptable. I live in a very posh white English area of London and even the builders around here are pretty much all Polish. The English guy is undercut. So the English guy is in an overcrowded industry where the competition drives the wage down. Now WHY should he be made to battle it out for low maybe even lower than minimum wage (which will NOT support his living expenses, unlike the Poles many of whom live together in large numbers)?

    This programme showed a French girl working in a cafe stating that this British boy was lazy and needed to try harder. Cheeky. This girl also lives with 19, yes 19 other people in what appeared to be a regular 4 bed house at best. The English boy isn't going to live with 19 other people and he shouldn't be forced to do that so that he can take up lower paid work than he's capable of. Her rent was £50 a week apparently (which even to me seems high as 50x20 = £1000 .. which would make the rental income £4,000 p/m, for what was a seriously cruddy house), if a lower than minimum wage/poorly paid menial job appears .... she is naturally going to be more willing to take it than a British counterpart who could be living by himself or with a partner and therefore has far higher overheads to pay. She suggested that this English boy be more flexible and not just focus on the building trade. That's a valid point, but why should he dumb himself down to flipping burgers and cleaning toilets just to compete for work if he is more than qualified in that overcrowded building/construction sector? This is England, a developed economy ... we shouldn't be stooping to this type of mentality where scrubbing toilet seats is something young brits should be aspiring towards. And that's another thing, alot of these immigrants will employ only their own people. This builder chap met a Polish guy who ran his own building company, and he only employed Polish people. When the English guy asked the Polish guy why he couldn't find a more local person to fit the job of 'wood specialist' the polish guy simply said he 'can't just employ someone who isn't fit for the job' .. that's not really answering the question is it? And there you go, Polish guy employing polish person for a job where English people are more than capable of doing but have no opportunity.

    Then there is the element of lack of integration and in some cases trying to impose their culture on us (Muslims). These immigrants (India, Pakistan and Poland being the 3 top immigrant countries in the last decade) don't actually integrate into the community or way of life here. Many can't speak the language. Barbara and Ted of Ilford saw their dance hall and billiards club disappear to be replaced by all sorts of multicultural shops none of which appeal to Brits and creates a feeling of disillusionment. But anyways, I'm more bugged by the job market and how a French girl living in a house of 20 can have the cheek to say that such and such English person should try harder to get work. That really sums up alot of foreigners who come here.

    So yes, you are taking our jobs. Your living costs are lower, you can therefore take lower paid jobs which many Brits can't do as it doesn't support our living costs. Your lifestyle here is 100x better than back in your countries, yet you overcrowd the labour job market and if anything on a MASS level, do not contribute to a growing economy but a more stagnant one. You are ignorant of how mass immigration from your countries negatively affect the job market for young British people amongst other aspects of life such as places for housing, schools and so forth.

    MASS immigration is NOT good. Immigration to a degree is fine, but we need to put a cap on these imports who work in the labour trades and so forth ... it is ridiculous. And that's where I get annoyed ... these immigrants will say 'racist Brits' for having this view but actually if they bothered to analyse its effect through simple economics, they would find that their mass invasion is NOT of benefit and that many British youngsters have it hard finding work. I mean they must know, but choose to ignore it.

    It's for these reasons I have no option but to support UKIP, because they want to look after the people on this country. Noone hates immigration, not unless you are racist in my view .. but mass immigration creates problems that we must address. For anyone who wishes to watch the programme, it is a good watch - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ants-episode-1
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    Could you not summarise this even just a little bit? I mean come on, no one is going to read all of this.
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    (Original post by Last Day Lepers)
    Could you not summarise this even just a little bit? I mean come on, no one is going to read all of this.
    It's an expressive, opinionated and divided subject ... so no lol.
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    Decent, well reasoned post. Didn't convince me to vote UKIP, but I found no glaring holes in your analysis.
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    BBC is racist against white British.

    Ethnic minorities have higher unemployment rates than white British yet still BBC perpetuates the lie that white British are the lazy ones.

    Not surprised you are angry.
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    Watching the programme. Will tell you what I think when I've finished.
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    (Original post by Xinho)
    I just saw a very good documentary on BBC1 about immigration and its effects, presented by Alan Sugar's aides, Nick Hewer and Margaret.

    I'm English and have been employed for a number of years now. This show really made me want to get my thoughts out about immigration. What gets my goat is the way immigrants fail to accept responsibility for anything and scapegoat English people for everything. It's as if they cannot even comprehend that coming over in huge numbers is of no disadvantage to the people of this country.

    Firstly, I will say something in favour of immigrants. Although I disagree with the idea that ALL English people are lazy etc (which I believe to be a racist opinion held by immigrants/employers) compared to immigrants, I do think that some English people could learn from the work ethic of immigrants, many of whom but NOT all, work hard. For example this programme showed a pretty lousy, unenthusiastic, big English lump who from what I saw was far too laid back and lacking drive. My opinion is that the 'lazy' Brits that foreigners go on about, stem predominantly from working class backgrounds and settle in non-academic trades. I'm talking about Brits who go into labour jobs such as the building trade etc ..... But even then alot of them work very hard, they're just not very bright/driven and don't appear academic and so people pick up on that and put them into this bracket of 'lazy, racist brits' kind of thing.

    Iimmigrants/foreigners use these not so bright Brits as a way to generalise British youth as a whole, but fail to accept that their mass numbers overpopulate specific industries, or housing, or school places etc etc. It's all well and good Poles coming here to work, and actually many do have a fantastic working spirit for which I admire. However we don't need most of them as the large majority come to work in labour trades such as the building/construction area. We don't need any more imports in this industry. If there are too many applicants for a role, it is to the employers' financial benefit to employ someone who will take lower pay, which will be an immigrant due to their lower living costs and the fact that what they will earn will be 10x what they earn back home. You can't just blame Brits for this situation, it is not acceptable. I live in a very posh white English area of London and even the builders around here are pretty much all Polish. The English guy is undercut. So the English guy is in an overcrowded industry where the competition drives the wage down. Now WHY should he be made to battle it out for low maybe even lower than minimum wage (which will NOT support his living expenses, unlike the Poles many of whom live together in large numbers)?

    This programme showed a French girl working in a cafe stating that this British boy was lazy and needed to try harder. Cheeky. This girl also lives with 19, yes 19 other people in what appeared to be a regular 4 bed house at best. The English boy isn't going to live with 19 other people and he shouldn't be forced to do that so that he can take up lower paid work than he's capable of. Her rent was £50 a week apparently (which even to me seems high as 50x20 = £1000 .. which would make the rental income £4,000 p/m, for what was a seriously cruddy house), if a lower than minimum wage/poorly paid menial job appears .... she is naturally going to be more willing to take it than a British counterpart who could be living by himself or with a partner and therefore has far higher overheads to pay. She suggested that this English boy be more flexible and not just focus on the building trade. That's a valid point, but why should he dumb himself down to flipping burgers and cleaning toilets just to compete for work if he is more than qualified in that overcrowded building/construction sector? This is England, a developed economy ... we shouldn't be stooping to this type of mentality where scrubbing toilet seats is something young brits should be aspiring towards. And that's another thing, alot of these immigrants will employ only their own people. This builder chap met a Polish guy who ran his own building company, and he only employed Polish people. When the English guy asked the Polish guy why he couldn't find a more local person to fit the job of 'wood specialist' the polish guy simply said he 'can't just employ someone who isn't fit for the job' .. that's not really answering the question is it? And there you go, Polish guy employing polish person for a job where English people are more than capable of doing but have no opportunity.

    Then there is the element of lack of integration and in some cases trying to impose their culture on us (Muslims). These immigrants (India, Pakistan and Poland being the 3 top immigrant countries in the last decade) don't actually integrate into the community or way of life here. Many can't speak the language. Barbara and Ted of Ilford saw their dance hall and billiards club disappear to be replaced by all sorts of multicultural shops none of which appeal to Brits and creates a feeling of disillusionment. But anyways, I'm more bugged by the job market and how a French girl living in a house of 20 can have the cheek to say that such and such English person should try harder to get work. That really sums up alot of foreigners who come here.

    So yes, you are taking our jobs. Your living costs are lower, you can therefore take lower paid jobs which many Brits can't do as it doesn't support our living costs. Your lifestyle here is 100x better than back in your countries, yet you overcrowd the labour job market and if anything on a MASS level, do not contribute to a growing economy but a more stagnant one. You are ignorant of how mass immigration from your countries negatively affect the job market for young British people amongst other aspects of life such as places for housing, schools and so forth.

    MASS immigration is NOT good. Immigration to a degree is fine, but we need to put a cap on these imports who work in the labour trades and so forth ... it is ridiculous. And that's where I get annoyed ... these immigrants will say 'racist Brits' for having this view but actually if they bothered to analyse its effect through simple economics, they would find that their mass invasion is NOT of benefit and that many British youngsters have it hard finding work. I mean they must know, but choose to ignore it.

    It's for these reasons I have no option but to support UKIP, because they want to look after the people on this country. Noone hates immigration, not unless you are racist in my view .. but mass immigration creates problems that we must address. For anyone who wishes to watch the programme, it is a good watch - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ants-episode-1
    I think you are blaming the immigrants themselves which is totally unfair and is ultimately xenophobia. All the problems that have come about as a result of MASS immigration, as you have highlighted in your rant, are because of our politicians and the absolutely ridiculous policies they established which moreorless allowed an unlimited amount of immigrants into our country. Indeed mass immigration into any country is disastrous economically and socially, as you identified; particularly in a country so small as is the UK. However you cannot be justified in blaming the immigrants as what they have all done, or the majority have done, has been legal under UK law. Now we are having to face the reality of mass immigration, which is undoubtedly changing the structure of society in a number of ways, both positive and negative. One can argue that overall, however, the results have been largely negative and many have resorted to right-wing politics, nationalism and using the immigrants as a scapegoat to all the problems that have suddenly emerged. What we should rather be doing is realising that the issues that are present in our society are down to the weak political system and downright incompetent politicians. Opening up our borders freely with very few regulations is, obviously, going to attract a large number of immigrants to our country...however our politicians failed to appreciate this and are now paying the price. I don't think simply blaming immigrants for the failings of our government is justifiable nor is it going to improve the situation in the future.
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    (Original post by Ben_S96)
    I think you are blaming the immigrants themselves which is totally unfair and is ultimately xenophobia. All the problems that have come about as a result of MASS immigration, as you have highlighted in your rant, are because of our politicians and the absolutely ridiculous policies they established which moreorless allowed an unlimited amount of immigrants into our country. Indeed mass immigration into any country is disastrous economically and socially, as you identified; particularly in a country so small as is the UK. However you cannot be justified in blaming the immigrants as what they have all done, or the majority have done, has been legal under UK law. Now we are having to face the reality of mass immigration, which is undoubtedly changing the structure of society in a number of ways, both positive and negative. One can argue that overall, however, the results have been largely negative and many have resorted to right-wing politics, nationalism and using the immigrants as a scapegoat to all the problems that have suddenly emerged. What we should rather be doing is realising that the issues that are present in our society are down to the weak political system and downright incompetent politicians. Opening up our borders freely with very few regulations is, obviously, going to attract a large number of immigrants to our country...however our politicians failed to appreciate this and are now paying the price. I don't think simply blaming immigrants for the failings of our government is justifiable nor is it going to improve the situation in the future.
    How was my post xenophobic? You are right, it is not entirely down to immigrants .. it is down to the system that allows the immigrants to prosper - for which they make the most of. What I don't like as I stated in my post is how immigrants have this attitude that they are of no problem and that actually it's just English people who are lazy and racist but they fail to appreciate their conditions which work in their favour and to the disadvantage of the English people.
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    Well xinho has a point, i mean my dad is english (from germanian ) so really english but he works harder than any polski i know , he says himself that there is good and bad in all races and that some
    polish men and women are better people in general who get married, dont talk about sex all day like some of the young english workers, however, alot of foreigners think they own the place literally once they have there foot in the door. My gran was from sicily but she didnt have it that easy, not like these days- she gets angry when she sees every immigrant getting council houses too and when they are so ungrateful for it- they also get more rights and priorities at the council. All my friends are jamaican and they agree that there are far too many people over here. I just think there are too many children being born and thats the real problem- too many unwanted, uncared for, neglected children but of course, we are not as big as the usa so why does this government think its acceptable to let more and more people 'flood' the system and country as a whole
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    Didn't read this. 2 points:
    1. Why would you even open this can of worms?
    2. I don't listen to anyone who says 'gets my goat'
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    You may not but others do and if you are englih / uk resident since birth then you should be on this girl's side and you are what is wrong with the people in this country if you are disagreeing because you agree with letting more people in and therefore, this causes problems- haha and by the way- this opening the can of worms for the whole country - or letting worms in more like !\
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    (Original post by ldsbabe)
    Didn't read this. 2 points:
    1. Why would you even open this can of worms?
    2. I don't listen to anyone who says 'gets my goat'
    That's the worst rebuttal I've ever seen. You've basically admitted that everything the OP said is correct, but can't bring yourself to say so.

    By the way OP, outstanding post. Well reasoned, well thought out and a clear demonstration of the fact that opposition to mass immigration need not be about xenophobia or racism, but instead is about ensuring that we don't create mass unemployment among Brits.
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    (Original post by #Ridwan)
    That's the worst rebuttal I've ever seen. You've basically admitted that everything the OP said is correct, but can't bring yourself to say so.

    By the way OP, outstanding post. Well reasoned, well thought out and a clear demonstration of the fact that opposition to mass immigration need not be about xenophobia or racism, but instead is about ensuring that we don't create mass unemployment among Brits.
    How does one admit everything someone else has written is true by stating that they didn't read it?
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    I don't think the BBC was the right platform for the show, far too politically correct. Come the conclusion I'm sure all the natives will be gushing about what a great thing immigration is for the country, even though no-one wants to point out the obvious fact that whilst they may not have a problem with the specific immigrants on the show, mass immigration is having a negative impact on education, housing etc.
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    Well if the British were well educated and skilled they wouldn't have to worry about immigrants taking over their jobs.
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    Didn't read.

    I am assuming you are trying to convince the members of TSR to vote for UKIP, well no.
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    (Original post by Roger1)
    Well if the British were well educated and skilled they wouldn't have to worry about immigrants taking over their jobs.
    But in what way are the immigrants better skilled and educated? This isn't about private/academia areas ...the large majority go into building or cleaning or similar low skilled manual jobs. What has that got to do with skills/education? We have plenty of 'skilled' brits who can dust mantlepieces! Which goes back to my point .... Euros coming here and increasing competition unnecessarily and therefore driving wages down

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    (Original post by Xinho)
    But in what way are the immigrants better skilled and educated? This isn't about private/academia areas ...the large majority go into building or cleaning or similar low skilled manual jobs. What has that got to do with skills/education? We have plenty of 'skilled' brits who can dust mantlepieces! Which goes back to my point .... Euros coming here and increasing competition unnecessarily and therefore driving wages down

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    My point still stands.
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    (Original post by Roger1)
    My point still stands.
    It really doesn't. The immigrants aren't beating us to banking jobs, or engineering jobs, or anything requiring a high level of skill/academia. They are beating us to cleaning mantlepieces, serving coffee, driving buses and painting doors ..... Why do we need these people? They are not contributing to the economy in any significant way.

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    I have no real opinion on this, I just thought the above video was funny.
 
 
 
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