Can you be a socialist and be pro mass immigration?

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Is mass immigration not socially regressive?
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I don't really think you can be a socialist and be pro mass immigration. Mass immigration has and always will benefit the ruling classes. They are allowed to bring in uneducated workers or skilled workers with no less expectations of workplace standards. When society is fractured it is very difficult to change or rally the population for the benefit of everyone.
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No. Mass immigration is free market capitalism.

A true socialist could never support a policy which pits workers in dog eat dog competition for jobs and resources, just so the rich can get richer. Mass immigration is about cheap labour, low wages and massive population increase, all of which the capitalist system needs to survive.

A socialist could never support a policy which only strengthens global capitalism.
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No. Mass immigration is free market capitalism.

A true socialist could never support a policy which pits workers in dog eat dog competition for jobs and resources, just so the rich can get richer. Mass immigration is about cheap labour, low wages and massive population increase, all of which the capitalist system needs to survive.

A socialist could never support a policy which only strengthens global capitalism.
Surely the problems with immigration were created by capitalism in the first place? within socialism I doubt people would need to compete for jobs because new workers would effectively just be an extra pair of hands.
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Surely the problems with immigration were created by capitalism in the first place? within socialism I doubt people would need to compete for jobs because new workers would effectively just be an extra pair of hands.
No, most modern 'socialists' do not wish to nationalize all industries, merely utilities, this is aside from a stronger government presence in markets, for example enforcing price controls or raising the minimum wage. Even with public industry, there will be competition of the jobs available and an efficiently run nationalized industry would (theoretically) attempt to reach efficiency with the lowest wage possible relative to the high possible output.
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As Peter Mandleson sayd, we sent out search partys to get them to come here.
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Surely the problems with immigration were created by capitalism in the first place? within socialism I doubt people would need to compete for jobs because new workers would effectively just be an extra pair of hands.
Mass immigration would'nt even be a thing if the world was dominated by pure socialists states.

Mass immigration ( not immigration ) is an artificial construct, deliberately designed by global capitalism to saturate economies with cheap labour for their own benefit.

For example, Marx spoke about the 'reserve army of labour', which basically means a surplus of labour in the economy. He concluded that:

"Relative surplus-population is therefore the pivot upon which the law of demand and supply of labour works."
In other words, what he is saying is that when there is surplus of labour wages go down, and when their is shortage of labour, wages go up. ( This is the fundamental rule of demand and supply )

You have to ask yourself why would a country like Britain, which has its own 'reserve army' of 2.5 million unemployed people have open borders?
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It's a flawed question insofar as it appears to be offered up normatively, i.e. within the context of capitalism as a 'normal' state of affairs. Take away the demands and oppressions of capitalism and the issue of human migration becomes a different thing.
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