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ThatNorthernLad
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In the mire of endless conspiracy theories about the financial system and the political establishment that we live in, it can be hard to sort through them all for us to get to the real issue that is right in front of our face. 1% of the world's population owns 40% of its wealth and the average citizen is paying off debts for their entire life due to the society in which we live. It is as if our entire way of life is corrupted and stagnating, and we are all content to watch it happen, and it baffles me.

Elitist upper class, massive wealth disparity between rich and poor, these two factors were the base of the Russian revolution as well, the only things we're missing is a band of revolutionaries that people can get behind, be they communist, socialist or whatever, and a catalyzing event which lights the fuse, like World War I was for the Ruskies.

Huge amounts of people are fed up with the current way of life in the 'western world', and our current financial system is literally making slaves out of debtors while favoring creditors and the already rich, this also having a knock on effect for the rest of the developing world, widening inequality. All of this beg the question; do we need a revolution? And if so, into what?

This is semi-hypothetical, I'm not some marxist left wing revolutionary, i just believe it's a question worth posing.
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Short answer? Yes.

Long answer? Hell yeaaaaaaaaaaaanh
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A peaceful, gradual social democratic evolution maybe. I'm wary of revolutions but maybe that's just because I'm a Brit lol
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Yes. There should be a revolution but since people don't know what they should be fighting for then it hasn't started.
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A peaceful, gradual social democratic evolution maybe. I'm wary of revolutions but maybe that's just because I'm a Brit lol
This. Most, if not all of the revolutions I've ever studied have ended badly - better the evil we know (and in theory can lobby against) than something we don't which could be much worse.
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Stop scrounging and you won't have time to think up such nonsense.
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Stop scrounging and you won't have time to think up such nonsense.
You're implying that it took more than a minute to formulate the thought.
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Wealth disparity and economic liberty are necessary preconditions of a free society. Instead of conjuring your utopian dreams, why not learn a language, learn a valuable profession and increase the worth of your human capital.

When you have a system that conditions people to be satisfied with mediocrity, to be dependent on government and to see any sort of self-betterment as a waste of time, then you can't really be surprised that the world is as it is now.
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This. Most, if not all of the revolutions I've ever studied have ended badly - better the evil we know (and in theory can lobby against) than something we don't which could be much worse.
But we the people cannot lobby against this sort of evil, because it has permeated the government. Money talks, and big businesses shape government policies. Unless we rally the biggest march Britain has every seen outside of Westminster Palace then nothing will change.
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lol **** no, we've got way too much socialism already
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But we the people cannot lobby against this sort of evil, because it has permeated the government. Money talks, and big businesses shape government policies. Unless we rally the biggest march Britain has every seen outside of Westminster Palace then nothing will change.
Yup, that's why I said "in theory" . The point is I suppose that if we are living in a democracy (or even a façade of a democracy), then sometimes concessions would have to be made to the will of the populace (either out of democratic conviction or to sell the deception). In either case, it's still possible, if difficult, to push for reform, whereas under a revolutionary government, the democratic process could be tossed aside entirely.

Another option to protests marches in my view would be to simply not vote on an enormous scale...take away the government's mandate you know? If we are a democracy, then if it was only a truly tiny turnout (I dunno, say less than 10%) then radical change would have to be imposed to bring people back into the fold. I don't think it'd ever get that bad, though I myself am seriously considering not voting at the next election at the moment.
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Yup, that's why I said "in theory" . The point is I suppose that if we are living in a democracy (or even a façade of a democracy), then sometimes concessions would have to be made to the will of the populace (either out of democratic conviction or to sell the deception). In either case, it's still possible, if difficult, to push for reform, whereas under a revolutionary government, the democratic process could be tossed aside entirely.

Another option to protests marches in my view would be to simply not vote on an enormous scale...take away the government's mandate you know? If we are a democracy, then if it was only a truly tiny turnout (I dunno, say less than 10%) then radical change would have to be imposed to bring people back into the fold. I don't think it'd ever get that bad, though I myself am seriously considering not voting at the next election at the moment.
Better than not voting would be to get the people en mass to go to the voting booths and spoil their ballots. Imagine if there was a high percentage of spoiled votes? They wouldn't have a mandate then.
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(Original post by Jordooooom)
Short answer? Yes.

Long answer? Hell yeaaaaaaaaaaaanh
Short term answer I agree with you....

Concerning economics however.... long term.... revolutions generally do more harm than good.
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I think we could do with an apocalypse. Like the dinosaurs had. Just wipe the slate clean and start again.
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