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    One of Lowkey’s most famous lyrics concerning Israel is this, “Nothing is more anti-Semitic than Zionism”.

    This statement is a profound and complex insight on Israeli imperialism. In a speech at the Stop The War Student Conference 2009, Lowkey explained his meaning. Citing historian, Arnold Toynbee, he explains Zionism and anti-Semitism have the same fundamental belief, which is:

    the Jewish people cannot live and form integrated societies with other groups, and instead must be separated to live in strictly Jewish areas. Furthermore, the definition of Semite is a person who speaks one of the Semitic languages, of which the largest is Arabic, then Hebrew. [12]

    What Lowkey is expressing in this lyric is due to the Zionist ideology, which formed the state of Israel and lead to numerous wars and the occupation of Palestine, millions of Semites (the Palestinians) have been oppressed and killed. Thus nothing is more anti-Semitic than Zionism.

    -Akala
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    The origins of Zionism are to be found in Judah and Israel's historical past, and it all comes down to racism. The Jews were racist or shall we say xenophobic (or both?). They passionately hated the civilisations of their neighbours and wrote very badly about Babylon, Assyria and Egypt. The Jewish people have always had a strong sense of nationalism to the point where it borders on racism and sometimes crosses it. With this strong sense of nationalism comes a superiority complex: Israel as the light unto the nations; Jews as the elect of God, etc.

    Throughout the ages, some Jews have felt superior to their neighbours (some Jews still feel this way even today). And, of course, the Jews paid a price for this with the Romans. Even though Christianity was "invented" by Jews, Christians like Justin Martyr became hostile to the Jews. And this hostility continued more or less throughout the ages.

    The hostility of the Nazis towards the Jews, for example, was an extension of Europe's historical disdain of them. But The Romans, if we go back, believed that the Jews were trouble-makers. Of course, one might say that the Romans were ruthlessly imperialistic. However, as Josephus recounts, the messianic Jews brought some of the troubles on themselves. And so to the Roman-Egyptians and Alexandrines, the Jews were trouble-makers.

    A nation, a people, who believes it is superior to all others is asking for trouble. As for Hitler, he too believed that there was an elect: the Aryan race. Hitler and many other Germans before him (i.e., Fichte) believed that Germanic culture was the high point of European greatness. The difference was that Hitler was not as fiercely nationalistic than the Jews were in the past. Hitler believed that many nations around the world had Aryan origins. The Jews believed, however, that they alone were the elect of God who would come to inherit the Earth, and that all the other nations would bow down to them. That is why the Jews are met with hostility wherever they go.
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    (Original post by Jak_)
    One of Lowkey’s most famous lyrics concerning Israel is this, “Nothing is more anti-Semitic than Zionism”.
    If that is true, than King David would be ant-Semitic, since King David was a Zionist. King David fought against the Jebusites, conquering the city of Jersualem and making it the capitol of Israel.

    The city of David is called Zion. That's where Zionism comes from: Zion.
    (I boldened some in the verse below.)

    '8:1 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.'
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...le/Kings8.html
    This statement is a profound and complex insight on Israeli imperialism. In a speech at the Stop The War Student Conference 2009, Lowkey explained his meaning. Citing historian, Arnold Toynbee, he explains Zionism and anti-Semitism have the same fundamental belief, which is:

    the Jewish people cannot live and form integrated societies with other groups, and instead must be separated to live in strictly Jewish areas. Furthermore, the definition of Semite is a person who speaks one of the Semitic languages, of which the largest is Arabic, then Hebrew. [12]

    What Lowkey is expressing in this lyric is due to the Zionist ideology, which formed the state of Israel and lead to numerous wars and the occupation of Palestine, millions of Semites (the Palestinians) have been oppressed and killed. Thus nothing is more anti-Semitic than Zionism.

    -Akala
    Arabs have Saudi Arabia and have expanded their empire to include other nations. English have an English state: England, and expanded their empire to include other nations. Why can't the Jews have a Jewish state? Just curious. Should Arabs no longer have Saudi Arabia? Should the English no longer have England? Why can't the Jews have the teeny tiny little land they call Israel, which is not bigger than the teeny tiny American state of New Jersey or the teeny tiny county of El Salvador?

    It is wrong of Israel to kill Palestinians, and it is equally wrong for Hamas to try to kill Israelis. Instead, why not work together to come to a 2 state solution, where the Jews can have their one and only Jewish state? The Arabs have many states, including where they are from: Arabia.


    Let's think about a what if scenario. What if Arabia was destroyed and the surviving Arabs fled around the world, had children, then their descendants wanted to come back to the land of their forefathers? What if when the descendants got back to the land of their forefathers, the people who had moved there fought against them instead of welcoming them with open arms?

    Would it not be best to help the descendants and to learn to live peaceably together?
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    (Original post by Jak_)
    One of Lowkey’s most famous lyrics concerning Israel is this, “Nothing is more anti-Semitic than Zionism”.

    This statement is a profound and complex insight on Israeli imperialism. In a speech at the Stop The War Student Conference 2009, Lowkey explained his meaning. Citing historian, Arnold Toynbee, he explains Zionism and anti-Semitism have the same fundamental belief, which is:

    the Jewish people cannot live and form integrated societies with other groups, and instead must be separated to live in strictly Jewish areas. Furthermore, the definition of Semite is a person who speaks one of the Semitic languages, of which the largest is Arabic, then Hebrew. [12]

    What Lowkey is expressing in this lyric is due to the Zionist ideology, which formed the state of Israel and lead to numerous wars and the occupation of Palestine, millions of Semites (the Palestinians) have been oppressed and killed. Thus nothing is more anti-Semitic than Zionism.

    -Akala
    On the meaning of the phrase "antisemitism" please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

    As for the notion that Jews cannot integrate into society. Please note that the original push for a Jewish state started in Eastern Europe in the late 19th century when there were regular pogroms against Jews. The Holocaust suggests that Jews may have a point in thinking they might be safer in a Jewish state than relying on non-Jews to keep them safe from antisemites.
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    (Original post by Agapelove)
    If that is true, than King David would be ant-Semitic, since King David was a Zionist. King David fought against the Jebusites, conquering the city of Jersualem and making it the capitol of Israel.

    The city of David is called Zion. That's where Zionism comes from: Zion.
    (I boldened some in the verse below.)

    '8:1 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.'
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...le/Kings8.html


    Arabs have Saudi Arabia and have expanded their empire to include other nations. English have an English state: England, and expanded their empire to include other nations. Why can't the Jews have a Jewish state? Just curious. Should Arabs no longer have Saudi Arabia? Should the English no longer have England? Why can't the Jews have the teeny tiny little land they call Israel, which is not bigger than the teeny tiny American state of New Jersey or the teeny tiny county of El Salvador?

    It is wrong of Israel to kill Palestinians, and it is equally wrong for Hamas to try to kill Israelis. Instead, why not work together to come to a 2 state solution, where the Jews can have their one and only Jewish state? The Arabs have many states, including where they are from: Arabia.


    Let's think about a what if scenario. What if Arabia was destroyed and the surviving Arabs fled around the world, had children, then their descendants wanted to come back to the land of their forefathers? What if when the descendants got back to the land of their forefathers, the people who had moved there fought against them instead of welcoming them with open arms?

    Would it not be best to help the descendants and to learn to live peaceably together?
    The old Zionism caused destruction and brought on the wrath of the Romans, when Titus swept through Jerusalem and sacked the Temple. The Davidic messiahs were nothing more than terrorist nationalists, who were not privy to common sense. And King David never existed, he was based upon the King of Aram Damascus.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    The old Zionism caused destruction and brought on the wrath of the Romans, when Titus swept through Jerusalem and sacked the Temple. The Davidic messiahs were nothing more than terrorist nationalists, who were not privy to common sense. And King David never existed, he was based upon the King of Aram Damascus.
    You are free to think what you want to think. However, the ancient documents of the Jewish people do show that King David existed.

    What brought the wrath of the Romans was that many Jewish people (you could call them Zionists I guess, if you want to) did not want to be under Roman oppression and fought the Roman Empire, which was not the wisest thing to but they did it anyways, and their holy city Jerusalem, along with their 2nd temple, was destroyed.

    They weren't the only ones. The German tribes also did not want to be under Roman oppression.
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    Anybody who gets their political beliefs from popular music, is probably mentally deficient

    This doesn't even exclusively apply to the Israel-Palestine conflict, it's like they have such poor attention spans that reading is too difficult for them
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    (Original post by Agapelove)
    You are free to think what you want to think. However, the ancient documents of the Jewish people do show that King David existed.

    What brought the wrath of the Romans was that many Jewish people (you could call them Zionists I guess, if you want to) did not want to be under Roman oppression and fought the Roman Empire, which was not the wisest thing to but they did it anyways, and their holy city Jerusalem, along with their 2nd temple, was destroyed.

    They weren't the only ones. The German tribes also did not want to be under Roman oppression.
    Martyn* literally thinks that Freemasonry was created by the Jews, to bring some kind of secret ancient Egyptian pseudo-religion into the medieval period and that the first Masonic lodge was in the doorway of Solomon's temple...

    He is very funny, but not to be taken seriously
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    (Original post by Agapelove)
    You are free to think what you want to think. However, the ancient documents of the Jewish people do show that King David existed.

    What brought the wrath of the Romans was that many Jewish people (you could call them Zionists I guess, if you want to) did not want to be under Roman oppression and fought the Roman Empire, which was not the wisest thing to but they did it anyways, and their holy city Jerusalem, along with their 2nd temple, was destroyed.

    They weren't the only ones. The German tribes also did not want to be under Roman oppression.
    Are you serious? The ancient documents of the Jewish people also claim that Egypt was struck by ten plagues and a whole host of other stuff, which coincidently were satires on the Egypt texts. What the Jews wrote is false, their history is a mythology and a fabrication. And this King David never existed.

    The Romans at that point were the mightiest empire in the world. It would have been better, as Josephus points out, had Jews just accepted the Romans. Some Jews did accept and they lived relatively peacefully. Some Jews did not - the messianic Jews - and their resolution to remain defiant against the Romans, as Josephus points out, lead to their demise and to the subsequent destruction of the temple. Vespasian was to be the "messiah", but the Jews in their delusion and arrogance longed for some Davidic messiah. Now it is true that in all this, the Jews were just defending themselves. I do not doubt it, but sometimes you have to admit defeat and live to fight another day. Of course, the Romans were oppressive, but they weren't unlike any other civilisation that drove their armies into foreign territories. With the rise of an empire there will always be oppression, because it wants to assert its dominance. I don't blame the Jews for wanting to fight oppression, but from what I have read many of their actions were ill-thought out and had they not been so fervently nationalistic the Jewish Temple may not have been destroyed and lives would have been saved.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    Martyn* literally thinks that Freemasonry was created by the Jews, to bring some kind of secret ancient Egyptian pseudo-religion into the medieval period and that the first Masonic lodge was in the doorway of Solomon's temple...

    He is very funny, but not to be taken seriously
    Freemasonry originated with the Phoenicians, who derived the craft from the ancient Egyptians. Hiram Abif brought Freemasonry to the Jews.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    Freemasonry originated with the Phoenicians, who derived the craft from the ancient Egyptians. Hiram Abif brought Freemasonry to the Jews.
    That's nuts, give me some sources
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    That's nuts, give me some sources
    No it is not nuts. Do you think I just make this stuff up? I am a man of knowledge. I read books all the time. Sources are too many to mention.
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    Thankfully what this D level rapper thinks is irrelevant outside of his uneducated fan base.
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    (Original post by yo radical one)
    That's nuts, give me some sources
    Don't feed the troll.
 
 
 
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