The "Nice Guy" complex

So if a 1 in a million average guy manages to get a lot of girls it means that it invalidates what I'm saying?

I cannot believe what I am reading. So females consider niceness to be a standard thing that every prospective partner should posses? This cannot be the case, as even monsters such as Adolf Hitler were married. What it seems to me is that women consider dating a kind of exchange or trade agreement, wherein they consider what they'll get (handsome, rich, alpha attitude etc) to what they'll have to give up (sex, time etc). People who are just nice human beings attempting to fill the void in their soul for a passionate relationship fall by the wayside because they do not offer any exceptional resources to the women. I suppose it's like the empire of Rome choosing to trade with a far-flung nation because they have rare luxury resources, over another nation with resources similar to themselves.

I disagree. I don't flirt with people I am not romantically interested in.

So if a 1 in a million average guy manages to get a lot of girls it means that it invalidates what I'm saying?

Any guys that are nice and have to make a big deal about how nice they are, are the exact same guys who whine about being friendzoned, read **** like The Red Pill, believe in ****ing PUA bull**** and truly believe their lack of success with women is because they're too nice.

Little heads up: Your success with women isn't because you're too nice, it's because, most likely you're an *******.

Genuine nice guys don't need to brag about being nice, these guys will get women.
The non-nice arrogant guys get girls because hey, its attractive at the time and although theyre *******s and will treat girls like *******s, they're honest, confident and know what they are.
But these "nice guys", who are "nice" purely to get women are actual *******s and this is why they're dont succeed.

Guys should stop trying so hard and just be theirself, some women will like you, some won't. Who cares?

I know loads of "average" looking guys who get plenty of girls when they're single.

There is far, far, far more to attraction than merely physical appearance. This works both ways, of course.

No, because it's nowhere near that rare. If you are confident enough, you will attract women. Of course looks are important, but they are much less important to women generally than they are to men.

Cole-slaw is right, you'd be much closer to the truth if you replace "good looking" with "attractive". Yes, good looking guys can get away with a lot, but so can other attractive guys- the confident, the funny, etc.

It's the same with guys. Unattractive girls are so annoying, fit girls are quirky and interesting. Even more so- a stunning girl can have literally no redeeming features and be a terrible person in every sense except looks, and she'll still get constant male attention. Guys need at least some confidence.




To be honest I think this is too far the other way. Being genuinely nice doesn't get you girls anymore than being pretend nice. I know guys who are genuinely nice, in the way you mean, they don't go on about it, they just treat people well basically, but can't get laid, because they don't have confidence with women.

Looks are important, but confidence is more important.

Hitler was probably perfectly pleasant to his wife. You are looking at it the wrong way, niceness is like bathing. If you don't bathe nobody is going to want you, but bathing on its own is not enough to sweep a woman off her feet. So what if you are nice? Women know dozens of guys who are nice to them, and one of them plays the guitar. What sets you apart from the crowd? Because being "nice" sure as hell doesn't.

To be honest, I talk from experience, I have never seen an average looking guy get a lot of girls. EVER. Never have I seen such an anomaly.

Most of the time the sex average guys get is from relationships. Yes in terms of relationships looks isn't AS important [But still a huge factor and the most important one]. An average guy can get an average girl in a relationship, outside of that he would be lucky to get an obese girl for a ONS.

It could be where I live [London] although that is unlikely.

They don't get women because they don't have confidence, not because they're nice.

Off topic, but it's worth noting I think 50% of the women we know Hitler shagged killed themselves.



It's more likely to be age, how old are you? When you are a teenager, most people are pretty useless with girls, so the good looking guys win by default. This can cause a vicious circle where they get confident, so get more girls, but this is one of those correlation/causation things. Look at your attitude, you've given up before you've even started. "An average guy can get an average girl in a relationship"- you seriously haven't even seem average guys get fit girls? Happens all the time.



But your quote was "Genuine nice guys don't need to brag about being nice, these guys will get women". That's what I'm disagreeing with.

Hitler was probably perfectly pleasant to his wife. You are looking at it the wrong way, niceness is like bathing. If you don't bathe nobody is going to want you, but bathing on its own is not enough to sweep a woman off her feet. So what if you are nice? Women know dozens of guys who are nice to them, and one of them plays the guitar. What sets you apart from the crowd? Because being "nice" sure as hell doesn't.

No, because it's nowhere near that rare. If you are confident enough, you will attract women.

Of course looks are important, but they are much less important to women generally than they are to men.

It's the same with guys. Unattractive girls are so annoying, fit girls are quirky and interesting. Even more so- a stunning girl can have literally no redeeming features and be a terrible person in every sense except looks, and she'll still get constant male attention. Guys need at least some confidence.

Off topic, but it's worth noting I think 50% of the women we know Hitler shagged killed themselves.

It's more likely to be age, how old are you? When you are a teenager, most people are pretty useless with girls, so the good looking guys win by default. This can cause a vicious circle where they get confident, so get more girls, but this is one of those correlation/causation things. Look at your attitude, you've given up before you've even started. "An average guy can get an average girl in a relationship"- you seriously haven't even seem average guys get fit girls? Happens all the time.

Thank you form confirming my theory. Women are not interested in love; they simply view relationships as a form of social trade and nothing more. Also, your bathing analogy makes no sense because you cannot decide to be clean to certain people, but you can decide to be nice to certain people (as in Hitler being nice to his Aryans and hateful towards everyone else). I must now figure out a way to manipulate this strange economy of dating.

Confident matters, but only once you meet a girls minimum looks barrier. Most girls don't consider average men so no amount of confidence or other over compensation [Huge body built on roids etc] outside of extreme wealth or status will make you attractive to her..

was about to answer seriously, then I saw your picture. Good one!

I know plenty of average looking guys who have managed to get girlfriends, often girls who look far out of their league. Luckily people in the real world are not quite as shallow as you seem to think, I don't know what you are doing wrong but having average looks is certainly not an excuse.

what about this then:


http://www.science20.com/news_articl...en_pickier_men


But men need to be exceptionally attractive to tempt women to consider casual sex, they say.....



Actual science and studies agreeing with my observations.

Well yeah, that is casual sex, personality barely factors in. Get a girlfriend.