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That's a seperate thread.
Well observed. Your observational skills will take you far.
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No offence, but I feel you are missing the point. If you KNEW that to denature the toxin (or whatever) you had to thoroughly cook the food - as is the case with beans now - then all well and good. The problem is that we wouldn't KNOW what needed doing to the GM food to make it safe.

For example: a GM lettuce that needed boiling for an hour to make it safe wouldn't be a big hit, would it?

Rosie


Very good point! To add to this, it is worth mentioning that not all food produce is cooked before consumption and so any proteins contained within the food would not be dentured completely before you eat it.
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No offence, but I feel you are missing the point. If you KNEW that to denature the toxin (or whatever) you had to thoroughly cook the food - as is the case with beans now - then all well and good. The problem is that we wouldn't KNOW what needed doing to the GM food to make it safe.

For example: a GM lettuce that needed boiling for an hour to make it safe wouldn't be a big hit, would it?

Rosie
In my original post I was referring to the DNAs only. Not taking into account of any other factors.

And I'm man enough to say that you are indeed correct. Totally, in all points.
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The worst thing I know is when people say stuff like "I am not going to trust the scientists because they are being paid by teh GM companies". By this logic we should put ignorant lunitics in charge of everything cus the experts are obviously biased because it is "their" field of knowledge. Of course everyone is biased to some degree , but that is not an argument to put more trust to Greenpeace than to the people who actually know how the stuff works. Much of the criticism against GM is there just because people has a problem with science being able to interfere with the process of life, and not because of any objective insight into teh problems. I mean, when peopel make posters showing wommen with four breasts connected to a milking machine they really show that they have no clue about what the potential risks of GM actually are.
Most people don't understand or know anything about the science and biology behind most technologies and only express their opinions based upon science fiction series.... it is a whole big joke
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The worst thing I know is when people say stuff like "I am not going to trust the scientists because they are being paid by teh GM companies". By this logic we should put ignorant lunitics in charge of everything cus the experts are obviously biased because it is "their" field of knowledge. Of course everyone is biased to some degree , but that is not an argument to put more trust to Greenpeace than to the people who actually know how the stuff works. Much of the criticism against GM is there just because people has a problem with science being able to interfere with the process of life, and not because of any objective insight into teh problems. I mean, when peopel make posters showing wommen with four breasts connected to a milking machine they really show that they have no clue about what the potential risks of GM actually are.

...besides, I'm sure there are much better uses for women with four breasts than milking machines..
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I like GM food because I like eating big red juicy ripe tomatoes the size of pumpkins and not the small ugly mouldy ones that you'd expect to find in an Uzbek bazaar.
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I like GM food because I like eating big red juicy ripe tomatoes the size of pumpkins and not the small ugly mouldy ones that you'd expect to find in an Uzbek bazaar.
Why an Uzbek bazar...U can also find them in some old lttl english shop as well....full of worms and rotten inside
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Anyone heard of a situation happening atm? In one country where GM seeds are being used, farmers have overloaded their fields with herbicides/pesticides because the plants aren't affected by them... The soil has actually become completely drained of nutrients, so the plants don't grow too well anyway.

And on top of that, the chemicals that the farmers have used have been washed away into surrounding rivers, killing lifeforms that lived in there. Since rivers lead to the ocean, guess what?

If GM foods were to be used, people would have to be educated first... Which would take a while. Then there's always the fact that the seeds of GM food cause the plants to grow "infertile" so farmers have to keep going back and buying more seeds, instead of being able to grow crops off the last lot of plants... Make sense? So poor farmers have less chance of making money, whilst the GM companies make millions...
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Then there's always the fact that the seeds of GM food cause the plants to grow "infertile" so farmers have to keep going back and buying more seeds, instead of being able to grow crops off the last lot of plants... Make sense?


Not a problem anymore.
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I was sure that in the cotton plant trial, they ended up using less chemicals than usual, thereby reducing any risk of eutrophication
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Not a problem anymore.
Has there been a law on that or something?
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Has there been a law on that or something?

No, but there has been scientific advancement.
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No, but there has been scientific advancement.
I'm sure it had nothing to do with science, it was to do with money.
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No, but there has been scientific advancement.
I read soemwhere that the companies wanted to encode somehow into the genes a time delayed "self destruction" sequence. So forcing the farmers to buy new seeds from them.
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I read soemwhere that the companies wanted to encode somehow into the genes a time delayed "self destruction" sequence. So forcing the farmers to buy new seeds from them.
Is that actually possible? A bomb of some sort? :confused:
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Is that actually possible? A bomb of some sort? :confused:
No bono...more like programmed cell deaths.
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3i + 2j

Where i is the horizontal vector and where j is the vertical vector.
Well, purely mathematically there is no reasonm to limit ourself to 2 or 3 dimensions. In quantum mechanics, as an example, the ket vector describing an electrons position has an INFINITE number of dimensions. A bit difficult to draw a diagram though....
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I like GM food because I like eating big red juicy ripe tomatoes the size of pumpkins and not the small ugly mouldy ones that you'd expect to find in an Uzbek bazaar.
Well, you would find it interesting to know that the nutritional value of lenice today is about 20% less than what it was during WW2. This is because farmers has developed breeds that grow as quick as possibel to ensure maximum output, on the expense of quality.
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No bono...more like programmed cell deaths.
It just seems weird, "programmed". Is it possible?
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I was sure that in the cotton plant trial, they ended up using less chemicals than usual, thereby reducing any risk of eutrophication
do you mean fertilisers? because it is generally the nitrates in fertilisers which cause eutrophication.
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