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    B699 - Benefits Repayment Bill 2014, TSR UKIP

    Benefits Repayment Bill 2014

    An Act putting in measures for people who have claimed benefits to pay them back once they are in part or full time work.

    BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

    1: Benefits to be re-payed
    (1) All benefits payed out by the Government to a person must be payed back once they are in employment.
    (2) If the person goes back on benefits then they will temporarily stop paying the money back.

    2: Repayment amounts
    (1) The following amounts are in force if the person earns below £30,000.
    (2) Anyone who gets a full time job will have to pay back at a rate of 5% of their total earnings before tax.
    (3) Anyone who gets a part time job will have to pay back at a rate of 3% of their total earnings before tax.
    (4) Anyone who holds 1 or more jobs will have to pay 8% of their total earnings before tax.

    3: After 2 years of employment
    (1) The following amounts are in force if the person's total earnings are below £30,000.
    (2) Anyone who gets a full time job will have to pay back at a rate of 8% of their total earnings before tax.
    (3) Anyone who gets a part time job will have to pay back at a rate of 5% of their total earnings before tax.
    (4) Anyone who holds 1 or more jobs will have to pay 10% of their total earnings before tax.

    4: Repayment amounts Special cases
    (1) The following rules apply to anyone who total earnings are over £30,000 a year.
    (2) They must pay back their benefits at a rate of 15% of their total earnings, above £30,000 a year, before tax.
    (3) If they hold more than 1 job then they must pay back at a rate of 22% of their total earnings before tax.

    5: Commencement, Short Title and Extent
    (1) This Act may be cited as the Benefits Repayment Bill 2014.
    (2) This bill shall extend to the United Kingdom; and
    (3) Shall come into force January 1st 2015.

    6: Who this applies to
    (1) All citizens of the United Kingdom pay the rates above.
    (2) Any immigrants who have not gained citizenship status will have to pay an additional 2% on the rates above.

    7: Age limits
    (1) Anyone over the age of 65 will not have to pay back benefits if they are in work.
    (2) Pensions are not included in total earnings.

    8:Notes
    (1) A full time job is any job over - or equal to- 30 hours per week.
    (2) A part time job is any job below 30 hours per week



    (Original post by adam9317)
    QFA
    Are the changes you sent to me ok?
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    As before, the RI makes this mute.
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    No. That would be stupid. They pay taxes.
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    Nay. Ideological, idiotic and unnecessary!
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    (2) Any immigrants who have not gained citizenship status will have to pay an additional 2% on the rates above.
    Why? This is why UKIP are accused of xenophobia. What is the justification for this?
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    Yes Toronto, thank you for adding changes

    [quote=toronto353] QFA [quote]


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    7: Age limits
    (1) Anyone over the age of 65 will not have to pay back benefits if they are in work.
    Does this mean people will be returning parts of their pension? It may have not been noticed, but pensions are, also, a form of State Benefit!
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    [QUOTE=mattvr] Does this mean people will be returning parts of their pension? It may have not been noticed, but pensions are, also, a form of State Benefit! [\QUOTE]the bill says they won't have to pay back over 65 so pensioners are exempt and will not need to return some parts of their pension.
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    (Original post by Ruitker)
    the bill says they won't have to pay back over 65 so pensioners are exempt and will not need to return some parts of their pension.
    Yes, they don't pay it back if they are in work! As stated in the Bill! Please, know what you are defending!
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    (Original post by mattvr)
    Yes, they don't pay it back if they are in work! As stated in the Bill! Please, know what you are defending!
    Yes, correct. We are both right as we have both read the bill. In work or out of work they don't pay it back. Pensioners would not be worse off.
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    Lol no

    Jobseekers like myself will already make some of a contribution back through general taxation. By pursuing this bill you are in essence punishing them for making progress, you are saying "You've taken a job, we're going to hurt you for that". In terms of bad morals it is off the charts.

    Now even if we ignore the fact that this is just really unfair, we come to the point that economically this is really poorly thought out. That's where the real problems lie. It provides an enormous disincentive to taking on work that is hugely damaging. First of all, the withdrawal rate of benefits is already incredibly damaging in IRL UK as it is (to the point that work simply doesn't pay in some instances) and you want to make that worse? Surely we want people to be taking on jobs, we want people to be on JSA for as short a time as possible so we should not be adding a disincentive to taking up a job. Worse still, you even ramp up the figure when they take on a second job. The tax system should not be used to discourage good behavior! Pursuing employment is the best damn behavior anyone can undertake! You're also going to be harming a lot of already vulnerable and extremely poor people by ensuring they pay a higher marginal tax rate than a lot of richer earners.

    To take it to the extremes, some earning over £30k would be forced to pay 22% above that mark according to 4(3). This leads to a marginal tax rate of 52% in TSR-land (plus an enormous GRT) and a marginal tax rate of a whopping 62% in real life. 50% was discredited as being too high for the super rich, just imagine how damaging 62% is for the much poorer middle class. We must never forget that people make their decisions at the margins.

    (Not that my comments here mean anything, because on TSR, we don't have benefits, we have a universal income which renders the entire bill redundant. But that's not your fault and I'm tired of letting that stand in the way of debate because I think we're probably going to have that fixed eventually)
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    I am concerned at the attempt to change written English that this bill includes. If I have a debt I have to repay it, when it is paid back it is repaid.

    I thought part-time in law was 16 hours or less as well.
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      Wait so those on benefits get a job, they pay taxes etc and then they're asked to pay back their benefits... Benefits are now a loan in other words? No.
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      What a complication system. The idea of the job seekers allowance is to support people in the short term whilst they look for employment. If I am in a situation where once I have a job I have to pay back money, that may put me off getting a job in the first place. No.
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      The administration of this will completely undermine any cost benefits you hope to gain.

      Also, I disagree with this principle entirely. All this does is encourage people to stay on benefits and avoid work altogether does it not?
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      Nay. Awful idea.
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      Nay i'm not voting for a government ran payday loan company. I'm curious to know what happens if you refuse to repay the pirates, are we looking at repo thugs or a criminal sentence?
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      No again! People who find work will automatically contribute to the cost to the state of having provided for them via a steep 11% rate of national insurance, even more so if they were previously in work and paying tax.
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      This doesn't even make sense, and is a stupid principle too. It's called national insurance for a reason.
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        Nay nay nay, people shouldn't be punished for this. Why should we make distinctions between immigrants as well?
       
       
       
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