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B693 - Foreign Languages Tuition (Amendment) Bill 2014 (Second Reading) Watch

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    B693 - Foreign Languages Tuition (Amendment) Bill 2014 (Second Reading), TSR Government

    Foreign Languages Tuition (Amendment) Bill 2014
    An Act ensuring the most important international languages are taught in schools.

    BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

    1: Tuition
    (1) Section 1 of the Foreign Languages Tuition Act 2013 is replaced with:


    1.1 The tuition of one major international language will be made compulsory for all school pupils throughout Key Stages 1, 2 and 4.
    1.2 The tuition of two foreign languages, to include at least one major international language, will be made compulsory for all school pupils in England throughout Key Stage 3.
    1.1 The tuition of one major international language will be made compulsory for all school pupils in Wales throughout Key Stage 3.

    2: Definitions
    (1) The following is added to Section 2 of the Foreign Languages Tuition Act 2013:


    2.2 “Major International Language” is defined as any of the official languages of the United Nations (with the exception of English) plus German, Hindi, Italian, Japanese, Portuguese and Turkish.
    2.3 “Working Language(s)” is defined as the language(s) in which non-language lessons are delivered. When used in reference to a pupil, it refers to the language in which the pupil receives non-language lessons.

    3: Exemptions
    (1) Section 5 of the Foreign Languages Tuition Act 2013 is replaced with:

    5.1 The following persons and their responsible tuition bodies are exempt from all sections of this act:
    (1). All pupils attending schools which specialise in the teaching of children with special needs, and for whom foreign language tuition is deemed not to be suitable by the headteacher;
    (2). All pupils who are deemed by the headteacher to not speak the working language of the school fluently. Where this exemption is used, the pupil must be given extra lessons in the working language.

    4: Commencement, Short Title and Extent
    (1) This Act may be cited as the Foreign Languages (Amendment) Act 2014.
    (2) This Act shall extend to England and Wales; and
    (3) Shall come into force on the 1st of September 2015.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    quote
    You need to put in the text in quotes!
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    (Original post by O133)
    You need to put in the text in quotes!
    Done - I wish that we were back in the good old days with PMs where you could just copy and paste the code and it would contain the quotes.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    Done - I wish that we were back in the good old days with PMs where you could just copy and paste the code and it would contain the quotes.
    I've also just noticed a broken quote in section 3. Please remind me not to use quotes in bills again!

    Anyway, the loopholes should be fixed now.
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    (Original post by O133)
    I've also just noticed a broken quote in section 3. Please remind me not to use quotes in bills again!

    Anyway, the loopholes should be fixed now.
    Have I corrected the quote in the correct place? I know what you mean, but they are a very useful way of blocking off text - perhaps we could just lobby TSR to change the coding back again.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    Have I corrected the quote in the correct place? I know what you mean, but they are a very useful way of blocking off text - perhaps we could just lobby TSR to change the coding back again.
    Yep, all good!
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      Why Italian? Hell why Turkish and Hindi?

      Italian is only useful within Italy, it's the language that us wealthy learn because we can, it's not useful for anything business related.

      Hindi isn't anywhere near a major language, in India business is conducted in English, most functions are conducted in English... India is English.

      Turkish isn't 100% pointless but still pointless and useless in the grand scheme of things, a lot of anything is conducted in English.

      I fully support Arabic, French, German, Mandarin, Russian and Spanish being taught but to throw in such uselessness as Hindi, Italian and Turkish is just barmy.

      Pick languages that'll enable British students to compete on an international level in the job market, that said when people are for fluent speakers in X language they're actually asking for natives to apply only.
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      (Original post by tehFrance)
      Why Italian? Hell why Turkish and Hindi?

      Italian is only useful within Italy, it's the language that us wealthy learn because we can, it's not useful for anything business related.

      Hindi isn't anywhere near a major language, in India business is conducted in English, most functions are conducted in English... India is English.

      Turkish isn't 100% pointless but still pointless and useless in the grand scheme of things, a lot of anything is conducted in English.

      I fully support Arabic, French, German, Mandarin, Russian and Spanish being taught but to throw in such uselessness as Hindi, Italian and Turkish is just barmy.

      Pick languages that'll enable British students to compete on an international level in the job market, that said when people are for fluent speakers in X language they're actually asking for natives to apply only.
      This list of languages has come from the British Council. At the end of the rugby 7s I'll dig you out the link.
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        (Original post by O133)
        This list of languages has come from the British Council. At the end of the rugby 7s I'll dig you out the link.
        Let me guess, British Council - Languages for the Future, I read it already and I disagree with the Turkish part especially and Hindi isn't mentioned in-depth, Italian is a language I feel people should learn as it's beautiful and you tend to pick it up through Spanish anyway so why not but to force people to learn it over Spanish for example is foolhardy, get these students fluent in Spanish and then allow them to make the choice to go and study Italian.

        I personally see Arabic, Mandarin and Russian as must study to fluency as well as French, German and Spanish, anyone in this day and age should learn on European and one Asian or Middle Eastern language at the least.

        My suggestion Arabic and Russian
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        No. We speak English which is one the most widely learnt and used languages. I dont see it necessary to compel you people to learn another language. Also , in today's world we have loads of facilities to communicate with those who speak a different language such as online translation services. I think young people need to have the freedom to make this decision based on their own will. However, I would support plans to make offering of a foreign language compulsory in all schools.
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        (Original post by arminb)
        No. We speak English which is one the most widely learnt and used languages. I dont see it necessary to compel you people to learn another language. Also , in today's world we have loads of facilities to communicate with those who speak a different language such as online translation services. I think young people need to have the freedom to make this decision based on their own will. However, I would support plans to make offering of a foreign language compulsory in all schools.
        English may be one of the most widely used and learnt languages but it is still very much in a minority.. Have you tried using Google to translate anything more than a couple of sentences? Babelfish (if it's still about) is even worse.

        It's no more an assault on freedom than requiring students to study English (which is increasingly literature focused as you progress through school) or Maths. All three are essential skills.
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        (Original post by O133)
        English may be one of the most widely used and learnt languages but it is still very much in a minority.. Have you tried using Google to translate anything more than a couple of sentences? Babelfish (if it's still about) is even worse.

        It's no more an assault on freedom than requiring students to study English (which is increasingly literature focused as you progress through school) or Maths. All three are essential skills.
        But knowing English is crucially important as most of us will continue further education and work in the UK. We need to know how to write a letter at or write essays at uni. Maths is important in developing problem solving skills. What makes knowing Japanese too important.Yes, you might find a job in a multi-national organisation, but all of them have someone who knows the language and it is not necessary for every single employee to learn that language. Also, although the number of such organisations is growing, I dont need they are in the majority. Finally, learning another language is very difficult and might interrupt their education, in other subjects. I really dont see it that necessary.
        Regarding English Lit., that's a part of our heritage and our culture. It is important that all pupils know about Shakespeare so that they'd they all share such a beautiful language. And this will encourage social integration. Think of it in the same way as learning history.
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        (Original post by arminb)
        What makes knowing Japanese too important.Yes, you might find a job in a multi-national organisation, but all of them have someone who knows the language and it is not necessary for every single employee to learn that language.
        Not everyone needs to learn Japanese, we need a spread of languages, obviously with more speakers of some than others.

        This is also worth a read for any sceptics.
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        'Nay'.

        Firstly you need to include some notes or define what the major international languages are. Secondly, your range of languages is much too broad. I do agree with the principal though.

        Regarding the languages to teach i would include Spanish, German, Mandarin, Arabic, Persian, Portuguese and French.

        If possible, this bill should also overrule the Welsh government in their decision to teach that pointless, tiny language,
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        (Original post by Rakas21)
        'Nay'.

        Firstly you need to include some notes or define what the major international languages are. Secondly, your range of languages is much too broad. I do agree with the principal though.

        Regarding the languages to teach i would include Spanish, German, Mandarin, Arabic, Persian, Portuguese and French.

        If possible, this bill should also overrule the Welsh government in their decision to teach that pointless, tiny language,
        The major international languages are defined, and the list has come from the British Council, I didn't pluck them out of thin air.

        Is there support in the House for closing the Welsh Assembly, because I would wholeheartedly support a bill to that effect.
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        Oui, ja, yes, as Radiohead once said. I am all in favour of this. If it was possible I'd like to legislate against other bad practices of Brits abroad, such as socks and sandals and eating fast food such as burger and chips in places such as on the Costa del Sol.
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        (Original post by Rakas21)

        If possible, this bill should also overrule the Welsh government in their decision to teach that pointless, tiny language,
        How else could you understand some of the songs of the Super Furry Animals?
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        (Original post by O133)
        The major international languages are defined, and the list has come from the British Council, I didn't pluck them out of thin air.

        Is there support in the House for closing the Welsh Assembly, because I would wholeheartedly support a bill to that effect.
        Your bill says "plus", it's the initial languages that i'm not aware of reading the bill.

        I'd certainly support that given the Welsh failure. Or better yet, created a single devolved assembly for the three non-English states (not that i recognize the sovereignty of Wales in RL - as far as i'm concerned it's a conquered territory as opposed to Scotland which joined willingly).
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        (Original post by barnetlad)
        How else could you understand some of the songs of the Super Furry Animals?
        If people want to be taught Welsh then they can organise it at a community center or a church ect.. the state should not be wasting resources on something which is no good outside Wales though.
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        (Original post by Rakas21)
        Your bill says "plus", it's the initial languages that i'm not aware of reading the bill.
        The UN official languages are French, Spanish, Mandarin Chinese, Russian and Arabic (plus English). This is deliberately left as it is should the UN decide to add other languages.
       
       
       
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