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    Can someone explain exactly how this exists in Britain? (bear in mind Saudi Arabia exists)
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    It doesn't.
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    Our society is being de-sensitized to rape. This is attributed to many factors.

    -Definition of rape has been broadened so much that you can technically commit rape without knowing it. Example, I had drunk sex with my girlfriend and the next day she didn't even remember it. She loves me, we're happy together, but technically I raped her.

    -Rape is more widely reported.
    Rape was so hush hush because it was terrifying and awful and no one wanted to talk about. Now while it's good that women are reporting more and we are getting more of the criminals caught, it's also difficult because now that people hear about rape all the time it's not as terrifying. It's like a mugging in the eyes of the public - yeah everyone know's its terrible but the word rape isn't shocking like it used to be

    -Penalities for Rape are lessening
    Rape used to be a capital offense. Now, and this is party because of the above two factors, a guy could hold a girl down and brutally rape her and be out of prison in 3 to 7 years.

    -Rape is becoming commonplace
    Horror movies and rape pornography are using rape scenes to be provocative because it's the last thing they haven't done. What's worse than sawing a guy in half with a chain saw, showing a girl cry and beg for mercy as she's brutally violated. End result: This becomes common place and people will always find it gross but it won't terrify them anymore.

    All of these factors make the public less afraid of rape in general which makes it seem like a less serious offense which leads to people not being punished as harshly for it. Does that mean we have rape culture? I'm not really sure what rape culture is. Just trying to share some insight

    There is a huge number of women (every woman I know who was raped) who do not come forward after being raped because they don't believe the system will help them. When the victims hide - the system is not working and it's not working because the police treat them as criminals - that is why they are hiding - and that is a big part of any rape culture. Rape victims are by far the worst treated victims. Some are even forced to pay 1000s of dollars to get their rape kit processed - it's inhumane and a product of sexist culture. Victims suffer in hiding ..

    The figures are that between 5 and 8 per 10,000 women annually are 'sexually molested' in the West, leaving us with a figure of perhaps 5 in 10,000 women raped annually. I take those figures from the United States, Britain and Australia - so correct me if you can.

    Suggestions that Men somehow condone rape by even using such trite terms as 'she asked for it' etc, or even by suggesting that care should be taken in walking home alone at night (as recent cases show clearly to be extremely valid advice), are nonsensical in the extreme.

    The same Men who trot out phrases like 'she deserved it' would willingly hang the perpetrator if on a jury - it's only a common comment that is more of a self-protection group bonding thing than it is an 'attack on the victim'. There is more of a Masculine culture in some areas of life, such as the military - where such bonding saves lives, but I would hesitate to be the guy who thought that he could get away with raping a woman in front of the same Military men.
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    (Original post by Rakislk)
    Our society is being de-sensitized to rape. This is attributed to many factors.
    Another example you could use is that the word 'rape' is being used in a joking way more often. Examples:

    * "I just totally raped Duncan at COD."

    * "Messi absolutely rapes Sergio Ramos there."

    * "lol you got fraped again mate"
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    (Original post by Autistic Merit)
    Another example you could use is that the word 'rape' is being used in a joking way more often. Examples:

    * "I just totally raped Duncan at COD."

    * "Messi absolutely rapes Sergio Ramos there."

    * "lol you got fraped again mate"

    Yes your right .
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    (Original post by Autistic Merit)
    Another example you could use is that the word 'rape' is being used in a joking way more often. Examples:

    * "I just totally raped Duncan at COD."

    * "Messi absolutely rapes Sergio Ramos there."

    * "lol you got fraped again mate"
    Well that's not really the same, rape has been used to mean spoiled or destroyed for a long time, when someone says "he got raped" in regards to a video or sports game they don't mean "he was forced to have sex" they mean "he got destroyed" they aren't using the sexual definition of the word.
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    I'm not sure but I do know that as a man, it is my fault, and I would like to sincerely apologise for being a man, sometimes I wake up and I just feel so disgusted at myself.

    Literally everything I do oppresses women, its all I seem to do, luckily feminism has made me aware of what a truly awful person I am.
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    (Original post by Rakislk)
    -Definition of rape has been broadened so much that you can technically commit rape without knowing it. Example, I had drunk sex with my girlfriend and the next day she didn't even remember it. She loves me, we're happy together, but technically I raped her.
    It helps to be drunk as well,unless men are by default rapists regardless of whether they do what women do or whatever. It's retarded that this would be called rape,considering she's your GF and both you and her took steps soberly in order to instigate these events.
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    (Original post by Autistic Merit)
    Another example you could use is that the word 'rape' is being used in a joking way more often. Examples:

    * "I just totally raped Duncan at COD."

    * "Messi absolutely rapes Sergio Ramos there."

    * "lol you got fraped again mate"
    But that's such a poor argument. People always use imagery of killing and murdering but no-one has ever suggested that that leads to a murder culture.
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    (Original post by Autistic Merit)
    Another example you could use is that the word 'rape' is being used in a joking way more often. Examples:

    * "I just totally raped Duncan at COD."

    * "Messi absolutely rapes Sergio Ramos there."

    * "lol you got fraped again mate"
    Except that the word 'rape' doesn't necessarily have sexual connotations, it can mean any sort of violation.
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    I rep'd Rakislk's post because he was right on a lot of things about the reasons why women do not come forward etc. until the end, it's a shame I can't just rep the first half of a post haha.

    This video explains what rape culture is. It's only a controversial theory because 99% of people do not understand it when they think they do.

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    If you get drunk, and go home for a one night stand and get raped you haven't helped yourself and are partly to blame. Whether that is a man or woman.
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    (Original post by Copperknickers)
    Except that the word 'rape' doesn't necessarily have sexual connotations, it can mean any sort of violation.
    I think it's insensitive.
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    (Original post by Rakislk)
    Our society is being de-sensitized to rape. This is attributed to many factors.

    -Definition of rape has been broadened so much that you can technically commit rape without knowing it. Example, I had drunk sex with my girlfriend and the next day she didn't even remember it. She loves me, we're happy together, but technically I raped her.
    Not necessarily. If she consented at the time, and you believed she was consenting, I don't think that's rape.
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    (Original post by forfrosne)
    I rep'd Rakislk's post because he was right on a lot of things about the reasons why women do not come forward etc. until the end, it's a shame I can't just rep the first half of a post haha.

    This video explains what rape culture is. It's only a controversial theory because 99% of people do not understand it when they think they do.
    Stopped watching at "teach men not to rape". Should it not be "teach people not to commit crime". Oh wait, we already do that.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Stopped watching at "teach men not to rape". Should it not be "teach people not to commit crime". Oh wait, we already do that.
    Teaching boys and girls at school about safe limits of drinking, and the risks associated with getting drunk and having sex is something I think should be covered in schools. Simply saying "teach men to rape" isn't a solution. Rapists KNOW rape is wrong, they still do it.

    I also think the definition of rape needs to be changed to make it gender neutral, and to clarify situations with intoxicated people.
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    (Original post by Eboracum)
    If you get drunk, and go home for a one night stand and get raped you haven't helped yourself and are partly to blame. Whether that is a man or woman.
    I don't agree at all.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with getting drunk and going home for a one-night stand. If you are subsequently raped, then you aren't partly to blame at all.

    What people must be clear about though, is that having sex with someone who is drunk does not automatically make it rape.
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    (Original post by andrew2209)
    Teaching boys and girls at school about safe limits of drinking, and the risks associated with getting drunk and having sex is something I think should be covered in schools. Simply saying "teach men to rape" isn't a solution. Rapists KNOW rape is wrong, they still do it.

    I also think the definition of rape needs to be changed to make it gender neutral, and to clarify situations with intoxicated people.
    Precisely.
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    (Original post by forfrosne)
    I rep'd Rakislk's post because he was right on a lot of things about the reasons why women do not come forward etc. until the end, it's a shame I can't just rep the first half of a post haha.

    This video explains what rape culture is. It's only a controversial theory because 99% of people do not understand it when they think they do.

    I watched the video.

    We don't live in a society where rape and sexual violence are normalised. This sort of behaviour is strictly forbidden and a serious taboo. To say that normalised, especially when comparing ourselves to Middle Eastern or pre-20th century society, is a bizarre overstatement in my eyes. For the most part, people are sympathetic towards rape and sexual assault victims. However, high-profile false claims, feminist extremism (and also some misogynistic attitudes) have lead to scepticism when women (or men) step forward with claims. Also, people are often sceptical when a person or public figure accuses somebody of any crime. And consider how quickly a person's reputation is ruined once they are accused -- surely in a true rape culture this wouldn't happen, because we're always on their side, remember?

    Some other points in the video I would like to dispute:

    "Teaching women to avoid being raped instead of teaching men not to rape" - both are sensible to do and we do do both.

    Men are also regarded as sexually submissive in the media, depending on the target market and situation. I'd also argue that women being sexual 'receptors' rather than instigators is a normal paradigm in our species (although this attitude is changing a lot).

    "False rape report statistics" -- Compared to the grossly exaggerated rape statistics coming from some feminist rape-hysteria outlets, this point doesn't really have a leg to stand on.

    "Tolerance of sexual harassment" -- saying people tolerating occasional inappropriate or uncomfortable behaviour (which is usually sanctioned severely in office and schooling environments) is indicative of rape culture is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

    I found myself making the 'are you serious?' David Silverman face half the time. It almost felt like the video was satire... That video sucked (Oh crap, that word normalises rape culture! :rolleyes:)
 
 
 
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