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Which is better ? Worse ? and why ?

Also, if you were poor like Romania/Bulgaria ?
Should they have reformed the Soviet Union for those countries, or should they have joined the European union ?
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Which is better ? Worse ? and why ?

Also, if you were poor like Romania/Bulgaria ?
Should they have reformed the Soviet Union for those countries, or should they have joined the European union ?
The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore. It's sort of difficult to reform it really, seeing as it was so dependent on Russia.

You're talking about making a new socialist government in Europe?
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You're talking about making a new socialist government in Europe?
That's the EU.


Actually Putin wants to re-create the Soviet Union, which is a goal of his, and perhaps they should.
Putin is pissed off that Romania/bulgaria joined the EU.

The West is infested with feminism, materialism, sloth, decadence, obesity, and is collapsing.

Also, maybe poor European countries would be better off they re-created the Soviety union instead of the EU.
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EU vs Warsaw Pact my be a better comparison.

and the answer EU=Warsaw Pact (or will do in the future)
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That's the EU.
Funny, as until relatively recently the left derided the EU as a rich man's club. The EU is in no way socialist.

The West is infested with feminism, materialism, sloth, decadence, obesity, and is collapsing.

Also, maybe poor European countries would be better off they re-created the Soviety union instead of the EU.
You mean that Soviet Union that was infested with machoism, class war, materialism, sloth, decadence, starvation and that collapsed?
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The EU or form a union of the Anglosphere. Why on earth would be shackle ourselves to Russia.

And no, its a pretty easy choice for the eastern European countries.

Also people have been predicting the wests decline for yonks. Yet the fact remains that the west has a GDP of around $40tn.
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That's the EU.


Actually Putin wants to re-create the Soviet Union, which is a goal of his, and perhaps they should.
Putin is pissed off that Romania/bulgaria joined the EU.
The EU isn't socialist, at least not in the same way that the USSR was socialist.

Putin said that he wanted to recreate the Soviet Union? I'd really be interested to read where you found that, can you link me?

He would indeed be pissed off that they joined the EU.

Also, maybe poor European countries would be better off they re-created the Soviety union instead of the EU.
That's a really interesting question!
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The EU or form a union of the Anglosphere. Why on earth would be shackle ourselves to Russia.

we are shackled to a bunch of crusty dinosaurs from germany, france and belgium who basically control this country.

why are they allowed to control us but Russia shouldn't be allowed ?
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The EU isn't socialist, at least not in the same way that the USSR was socialist.

Putin said that he wanted to recreate the Soviet Union? I'd really be interested to read where you found that, can you link me?

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His goal is to recover the old Soviet Union at almost all costs. Read his biography. However this is the best link I could find on it.

http://time.com/69161/ukraine-yatsen...-soviet-union/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-rival-EU.html

Let's put this into perspective. Would Russia join the EU ?
Would they allow to be controlled like we are ? Of course not.

The Eu is for weak pushovers.
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USSR - purely for the anthem
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His goal is to recover the old Soviet Union at almost all costs. Read his biography. However this is the best link I could find on it.

http://time.com/69161/ukraine-yatsen...-soviet-union/
I don't really trust the Ukrainian PM to give a trustworthy account of Putin's objectives.

But I haven't read his biography, so there could be something to it, I don't know.
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we are shackled to a bunch of crusty dinosaurs from germany, france and belgium who basically control this country.

why are they allowed to control us but Russia shouldn't be allowed ?
They don't control us. Also because Russia is poor (per capita poorer than Poland I think) while France has an economy the same size as ours and Germany has one of the best structured economies in the world. Even militarily Russias air and navy is rubbish compared to the west.
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I don't really trust the Ukrainian PM to give a trustworthy account of Putin's objectives.

But I haven't read his biography, so there could be something to it, I don't know.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-rival-EU.html

Look at the bigger picture. Would russia allow themselves to be controlled by the EU ? No.

Because the Eu is for pushovers.
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Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
bulgarian
romania

could have joined a newly created soviet union.

Instead their citizens are now camped out on your front garden begging for change as EU citizens.
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(Original post by democracyforum)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-rival-EU.html

Look at the bigger picture. Would russia allow themselves to be controlled by the EU ? No.

Because the Eu is for pushovers.
This is the same EU that's taken most of Eastern Europe right.
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This is the same EU that's taken most of Eastern Europe right.
Those small Eastern European countries are certainly weak, yes.

I meant countries that join the EU, are weak, decadent, slothful, willing to throw away their sovereignty and identity,
or just poor and needing to escape.
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Those small Eastern European countries are certainly weak, yes.

I meant countries that join the EU, are weak, decadent, slothful, willing to throw away their sovereignty and identity,
or just poor and needing to escape.
But Russia is poor, corrupt, authoritarian.

Britain needs to ally with only 4 states (China, India, USA, Eurozone). It may be beneficial to be on good terms with other countries but in the big picture the likes of Russia are mostly an irrelevance.
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Those small Eastern European countries are certainly weak, yes.

I meant countries that join the EU, are weak, decadent, slothful, willing to throw away their sovereignty and identity,
or just poor and needing to escape.
I wish I could live in your world where life is so straightforward and clear-cut.
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But Russia is poor, corrupt, authoritarian.

Britain needs to ally with only 4 states (China, India, USA, Eurozone). It may be beneficial to be on good terms with other countries but in the big picture the likes of Russia are mostly an irrelevance.
The EU is corrupt. The EU is extremely authoritarian.

At least when those little European countries join the EU, it protects them from being gobbled up by Russia.

Ukraine is the only country yet to be gobbled up by the EU. Russia have already lost Estonia ,Latvia, Lithuania, bulgaria, romania to the EU with false promises of democracy and wealth. They won't lose the Ukraine too.
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The EU is corrupt. The EU is extremely authoritarian.

At least when those little European countries join the EU, it protects them from being gobbled up by Russia.

Ukraine is the only country yet to be gobbled up by the EU. Russia have already lost Estonia ,Latvia, Lithuania, bulgaria, romania to the EU with false promises of democracy and wealth. They won't lose the Ukraine too.
Most of the Ukraine have already chosen the Eu and Turkey is desperate to join as is Morroco. Russia stands a better chance taking back eastern states.
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