which university is better UoB or Bath or Portsmouth or something else (Msc Civil Eng

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Hi guys im EU student , im intending to proceed to my MSc in Civil Engineering

Im doubt between Portsmouth or Birmingham or Bath

I see that University of Birmingham has (MSc in Civil Engineering &Managament in addition to Msc Civil Engineering (only)

Probably ,Im coming to UK in SEP 2015 for the purpose of studying by 80% and 20% to find jobs while studying or after that .
I dont know which of them is better by rank , newcomers, students,job prospects
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And whats the prospects jobs can i apply if finished one of them ?

Can i work as i understood in the following:

1.Banks or organisations as managerial postion

2. Academic jobs as lecturer /instructor and may continue Phd

3. Managerial jobs through Construction or Oil & Gas jobs

Is this right ?

Thank you in advance
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If you are from outside the EU your chances of being able to work in the UK after any MSc you might do here are practically zero.
The days when overseas graduates could stay on after their degrees are long gone. We have plenty of unemployed Masters graduates of our own - and the current government are trying to get immigration/work visas to as low as possible. No company here will be interested in employing you for these reasons.

If that is your reason for doing a Masters course in the UK, think again. You could spend far less money doing the same degree closer to home - and still get a job.

If you haven't even worked out what sort of job you could get with this MSc, why are you even applying for it?
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If you are from outside the EU your chances of being able to work in the UK after any MSc you might do here are practically zero.
The days when overseas graduates could stay on after their degrees are long gone. We have plenty of unemployed Masters graduates of our own - and the current government are trying to get immigration/work visas to as low as possible. No company here will be interested in employing you for these reasons.

If that is your reason for doing a Masters course in the UK, think again. You could spend far less money doing the same degree closer to home - and still get a job.

If you haven't even worked out what sort of job you could get with this MSc, why are you even applying for it?
My Friend , your answer is very irrelevant to my two main questions !!

Just read my post carefully ,

Finally ,Im not crazy to come to UK without EU passport ,EU is same as UK citizen's right to find jobs or study

And im not looking to find jobs as obligatory(must ) in UK only !!as UK is not that rich !

Please read my post and give relevant answer (if you know)
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Without adequate English language skills you will find both study and employment here difficult.
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My friend , Sure you are right , but still your answer is not completed !

No body can study without IELTS and its enough and language can be improved with time .

Im seeing that im answering you ,not versa !

Anyway thanks ,

Looking for people with more detailed information and relevant to my thread ..,thanks
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My friend , Sure you are right , but still your answer is not completed !

No body can study without IELTS and its enough and language can be improved with time .

Im seeing that im answering you ,not versa !

Anyway thanks ,

Looking for people with more detailed information and relevant to my thread ..,thanks
He's right if you're from outside the EU you will most likely not be able to find any jobs here after your MSc regardless of where you do it in the UK for the exact reasons he has stated companies are now restricting their jobs to UK citizens/or permanent residents of the UK.

Also your english skills aren't that good at all. I am not sure what you are referring to exactly in your original question but otherwise it is a good degree!
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He's right if you're from outside the EU you will most likely not be able to find any jobs here after your MSc regardless of where you do it in the UK for the exact reasons he has stated companies are now restricting their jobs to UK citizens/or permanent residents of the UK.

Also your english skills aren't that good at all. I am not sure what you are referring to exactly in your original question but otherwise it is a good degree!

Thank you ,

But ,your comment is irrelevant !

Read my original post and answer both main questions!
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(Original post by prospect10)
Thank you ,

But ,your comment is irrelevant !

Read my original post and answer both main questions!
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes

also might depend on what you did for undergraduate degree? but i am assuming you did civil engineering?
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(Original post by a10)
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes

also might depend on what you did for undergraduate degree? but i am assuming you did civil engineering?
yes sure , civil Engineering , but i think Msc holder is mostly connected to managerial positions , or may im wrong ?

can you answer the two sides of questions

first question is talking about Universities's comparison and courses comparison

second question is talking about jobs prspects for both Civil eng.(MSc ) and civil Eng. and Management

Im expecting that answer will be relevant and more than question
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(Original post by prospect10)
yes sure , civil Engineering , but i think Msc holder is mostly connected to managerial positions , or may im wrong ?

can you answer the two sides of questions

first question is talking about Universities's comparison and courses comparison

second question is talking about jobs prspects for both Civil eng.(MSc ) and civil Eng. and Management

Im expecting that answer will be relevant and more than question
Bath and Birmingham are really good universities from what i know (esp for engineering), can't really comment on Portsmouth but I assume it's also good in its own ways.

The best way to get into senior managerial positions is to work your way up over a number of years... you don't necessarily need an MSc to do it but it can help a little bit.
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well thanks , i need more experiences , probably from students in UoB and preferably from same prgram .
The reason to post this thread is to discuss in-depth the ideas , not only general opinion !

I have asked the administrator but he didnt came with any ideas , nor accepted my ideas to improve Program's marketing and more plans or suggestions/proposals !
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Thanks , the reason whý i have posted this thread is to discuss ideas in-depth from students who had experiences and perferably stufents who had choosed this program , not just talking in general about general opinion !

Another point , i have asked/contacted some administrators and they dont had any detailed answers nor they accepted any ideas or proposals !
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Yes to all three questions.
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where are students ?
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(Original post by prospect10)
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You aren't likely to get a more managerial job just because you have an MSc or MEng. You might be able to get a graduate entry job, and with a Masters it might be a more specialist or slightly higher starting grade. However, a Masters degree does not necessarily give you any greater managerial skills, it isn't the same as an MBA.

So, the answers, over and above your slim chances of getting a job in the UK at the moment, are No, No and No.

Generally Bath is a stronger uni that Birmingham which is stronger than Portsmouth.
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Bath has amazing industrial links and also offer a placement year which can really boost your CV.
I'd go for Bath.
I am biased though but it is a great university and a lovely city!
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You aren't likely to get a more managerial job just because you have an MSc or MEng. You might be able to get a graduate entry job, and with a Masters it might be a more specialist or slightly higher starting grade. However, a Masters degree does not necessarily give you any greater managerial skills, it isn't the same as an MBA.

So, the answers, over and above your slim chances of getting a job in the UK at the moment, are No, No and No.

Generally Bath is a stronger uni that Birmingham which is stronger than Portsmouth.

Are you serious ?:eek:


Just read thread carefully ,My study has no relation to Job conditions in UK !

I wonder if you had understood the whole questions !



(Original post by nunugab)
Bath has amazing industrial links and also offer a placement year which can really boost your CV.
I'd go for Bath.
I am biased though but it is a great university and a lovely city!
ok , whats else rather than Bath ?

R u Msc Civil Engineering in Bath now
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And whats the prospects jobs can i apply if finished one of them ?

Can i work as i understood in the following:

1.Banks or organisations as managerial postion
You might be able to work your way up, but no, an MSc without professional experience will not allow you entry to a managerial position in any type of business immediately after graduation. It won't guarantee you a managerial job at any stage of your working life.

2. Academic jobs as lecturer /instructor and may continue Phd
Most university lecturer positions in the UK these days require you to have a PhD first. It's unlikely that you'll be given lecturing jobs first and be able to get a PhD afterwards.

3. Managerial jobs through Construction or Oil & Gas jobs
See 1 above, to get a managerial position, you'll need professional experience.
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I have asked the administrator but he didnt came with any ideas , nor accepted my ideas to improve Program's marketing and more plans or suggestions/proposals !
This may be a culture clash.

In the UK, people don't respond well to being contacted by strangers out of the blue, who proceed to tell them how to do their job. You'd need to build some kind of rapport or a working relationship before offering that type of advice. And then, you would need to be very tactful. If you want to work in management, this is the type of skill you really need to develop.
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This may be a culture clash.

In the UK, people don't respond well to being contacted by strangers out of the blue, who proceed to tell them how to do their job. You'd need to build some kind of rapport or a working relationship before offering that type of advice. And then, you would need to be very tactful. If you want to work in management, this is the type of skill you really need to develop.
:eek: No culture clash ,

He/she must consider all proposals /suggestions from others ,
Its his/her job to develop his tools to communicate with people for best of the Uni.
They have said , even in future we wont be able to consider your suggestions !!



(Original post by Klix88)
You might be able to work your way up, but no, an MSc without professional experience will not allow you entry to a managerial position in any type of business immediately after graduation. It won't guarantee you a managerial job at any stage of your working life.


Most university lecturer positions in the UK these days require you to have a PhD first. It's unlikely that you'll be given lecturing jobs first and be able to get a PhD afterwards.


See 1 above, to get a managerial position, you'll need professional experience.
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