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    There were violence as an inherent part of African culture long before the Western imperialism if Africa was important. Look at Shaka the chieftain who used to kill his soldiers for the slightest of infractions. So why must slavery and "imperialism" ( the former of which involved Africans as much if not more than Whites and was practiced by Africa long after European civilisation has abolished it) be used poorly as the scapegoat for the cause of all Africa's problems?

    Bonus question.

    I know that Asian culture has given the world a lot so has Arab culture (until the 18th century or even before that, since then little but conflict) and European culture has perhaps given the most to the world, but African culture seems to have given the world very little in terms of technology and science. So examples to the contrary are welcome (not rap music that is a horrific violation of culture).
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    When decolonisation occured, things were a bit rushed, and they weren't prepared to look after their countries, and they destroyed many of things the westerners installed as it violated their traditional culture. This left them with with an issue, and then dictators came in. And for the dictators to hold sway, they had to blame somebody, so they blamed the west. Now it's ingrained.

    Africa never had colonial empires, so their culture never spread, that's a pretty simple one.
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    (Original post by CheGuava)
    When decolonisation occured, things were a bit rushed, and they weren't prepared to look after their countries, and they destroyed many of things the westerners installed as it violated their traditional culture. This left them with with an issue, and then dictators came in. And for the dictators to hold sway, they had to blame somebody, so they blamed the west. Now it's ingrained.

    Africa never had colonial empires, so their culture never spread, that's a pretty simple one.
    A good answer. Thank you.
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    One problem caused by the west are the borders of countries, which were usually set by colonial powers and often don't take into account history, ethnicity and religion. Like in Sudan, where Britain put north and south Sudan into one single country on independence, leading to a decades long civil war between the muslim north and christian south. Better placed borders could have avoided situations like that.

    Of course a lot of problems are the fault of the African countries themselves, but it would be foolish to pretend that the west isn't at least partly responsible for some of them.
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    Colonialism.

    Private interests in their resources. Western corporations paying off officials to push through legislation allowing them to practically rob the countries of their natural resources.
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    (Original post by wonderandmystery)
    There were violence as an inherent part of African culture long before the Western imperialism if Africa was important. Look at Shaka the chieftain who used to kill his soldiers for the slightest of infractions. So why must slavery and "imperialism" ( the former of which involved Africans as much if not more than Whites and was practiced by Africa long after European civilisation has abolished it) be used poorly as the scapegoat for the cause of all Africa's problems?

    Bonus question.

    I know that Asian culture has given the world a lot so has Arab culture (until the 18th century or even before that, since then little but conflict) and European culture has perhaps given the most to the world, but African culture seems to have given the world very little in terms of technology and science. So examples to the contrary are welcome (not rap music that is a horrific violation of culture).
    Corruption of officials and simple greed. Being a former colony of a nation is no reason for it to be undeveloped now, if anything it would make development easier.
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    Not all of Africa's problems can be pinned on the West, but a great deal can.


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    (Original post by wonderandmystery)
    There were violence as an inherent part of African culture long before the Western imperialism if Africa was important. Look at Shaka the chieftain who used to kill his soldiers for the slightest of infractions. So why must slavery and "imperialism" ( the former of which involved Africans as much if not more than Whites and was practiced by Africa long after European civilisation has abolished it) be used poorly as the scapegoat for the cause of all Africa's problems?

    Bonus question.

    I know that Asian culture has given the world a lot so has Arab culture (until the 18th century or even before that, since then little but conflict) and European culture has perhaps given the most to the world, but African culture seems to have given the world very little in terms of technology and science. So examples to the contrary are welcome (not rap music that is a horrific violation of culture).
    You come across as ignorant to the history. Violence is in EVERY CULTURE, check the history if romans, greeks etc and even religious movements.After continuous exploitation from the west, they are definetly very much partly to blame for its lack of development. You say Europe has contributed the most....maybe thats because they were the ONES invading other countries and extracting their resources for their own greed & ego and leaving their victims to starve and fight for survival and then people act suprised when corruption takes place in those countries.

    Didn't all humans originate from Africa so surely in that context, all culture derives from Africa. It seems that you are only taking current issues in Africa, particularly sub-saharan Africa and using it as a point to justify your 'debate'. You clearly have not done your research because you would have known that this is not the case.

    For instance, Egypt was one of the very first countries that created a central govt & brought in agriculture, reading & writing to humans. - Also 1st to create 365 days calendar. Other countries such as kenya, ghana and south Africa brought in patterned clothing & textiles, poetry, music ranging from jazz to reggae; Instruments (drums, xylophone, shakers), abstract art & many more. Africa is also home to the development of tools.

    Please care to read more about the history of Africa.
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    (Original post by wonderandmystery)
    There were violence as an inherent part of African culture long before the Western imperialism if Africa was important. Look at Shaka the chieftain who used to kill his soldiers for the slightest of infractions. So why must slavery and "imperialism" ( the former of which involved Africans as much if not more than Whites and was practiced by Africa long after European civilisation has abolished it) be used poorly as the scapegoat for the cause of all Africa's problems?

    Bonus question.

    I know that Asian culture has given the world a lot so has Arab culture (until the 18th century or even before that, since then little but conflict) and European culture has perhaps given the most to the world, but African culture seems to have given the world very little in terms of technology and science. So examples to the contrary are welcome (not rap music that is a horrific violation of culture).


    Ok, quick history lesson so get comfortable...


    The true reason why Africa is perceived by the West as backwards is not inherent violence or low IQ, but because firstly, Africans (mainly sub-saharans and during ancient times) were never really motivated socially to progress or advance. They were not technoligically inclined either. The generally nomadic lifestlye suited them, and they didn't have a reason to change.

    Africans weren't as motivated to progress (compared to Europe, Middle East and Asia) until they came into contact with other cultures--the first of which were the Arabs.

    History shows that competition (and to an extent, diversity) are what fuels progression. Because coming into contact with other groups stimulates growth. For a simple example of this, look at the level of advancement between Greeks compared to the advancement of Vandals and Vikings. Scandinavians were uncivilized and savage precisely because they weren't diverse and came into contact with no one other than un-advanced tribes, and perhaps Celtic tribes (the Celts were more advanced in terms of metal-working) to the South.

    Meanwhile, while Northern European tribes were considered backwards by the Greeks, the Greeks were building cities, their artisans made statues, and they created the Olympics, and they theorized about the atom, democracy, and the Republic.
    Why was this? Because Greeks were not only naturally industrious, but they had access via trade with the premier empires of the world and the cradle of civilization.

    Unlike Africa, there was a free flow of ideas into Europe from Asia. Ideas traveled from Persia and Egypt to Greece. And Persia, Greece, and Egypt all benefited mutually from their interractions. Because the competition stimulated growth.

    No real competition existed in Africa to stimulate such growth, because Africans as a people were nomadic and hadn't made cities until within the past 2000 years. While Babylon, Sumeria, and Akkadia had established cities all over the Cradle of Civilization: Mesopotamia.


    The Greeks have much that they owe to the Sumerians and Akkadians, who invented farming and civilization. This meme quickly spread from Mesopotamia, reaching Egypt, the Indus valley (Mohenjo Daro), and then Greece.

    Meanwhile, Chinese were establishing a civilization in the Yangtzee river valley.


    But Africa just was too isolated. As before stated, isolationism stagnates growth. It was Babylonian and Sumerian ideas which made Greece great--thus Greece benefited from this free-flow of ideas. In fact, Greek knowledge of astronomy and science doesn't even touch Sumeria, who famously depicted the Sun being orbited by the various planets.

    Rome, likewise, would have never become great if not for the exchange of ideas. Rome was, as some of you may know, initially a trading port established by Phoenicia. Phoenicia was located in modern-day Palestine and Lebanon. And Greece and Phoenicia colonized much of the Mediterranean.

    Not only did the Phoenicians establish Rome, they established trading points all along North Africa. Which was the precursor to the Carthaginian empire.

    After Phoenicia fell, Carthage and Rome emerged from the remnants of their civilization. Romans were highly uncivilized and took most of their culture from the Etruscans who lived nearby. However, as Rome became larger, they recieved an influx of Greek culture. By the time Rome controlled the entire Italian peninsula, Alexander the Great had already conquered the known word, bringing in new ideas from Persia, Egypt and even India.

    But Greece was eventually conquered by Romans. The Greeks viewed Romans as savages with no culture, and the Romans were in awe of Greek culture, thus they adopted not only words from the Greek language into Latin, but they adopted the Greek pantheon, Zodiac, astrology, and all Greek science.

    Thus we can see an unbroken archeological line where ideas moved from Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq) and made it to Phoenicia (Palestine/Lebanon) and from there to the warring city-states in Greece.

    After the Vandals and other tribes invaded Rome from Northern Europe and Scandinavia they knocked Europe back intellectually perhaps a 1000 years. And Europe experienced a Dark Age and became more isolated than it was during the days of Rome. Thus, there is a correlation between isolationism and lack of intellectualism. Coupled with anti-scientific Church suppression, Europe languished as a continent of warring Christian kingdoms and factions. They had virtually abandoned the legacy laid down to them from Greece, Sumeria, Babylon, and others.

    Meanwhile, the Islamic conquest was taking hold in the Middle East. After Northern European tribes had defeated Rome, leaving Constantinople behind, Arab conquests took control of North Africa, Egypt, and Mesopotamia. While Europe languished in the Dark Ages, the Islamic Empire created the greatest civilization of the time. It imported the ideas from Rome and Greece and the old Persian culture. It didn't have to start from scratch, just like Rome and Athens never started from scratch. There is a reason Mali is often cited as one of the few examples of Sub-Saharan civilization - the adoption of Islam, brought there by Muslim Berber and Tuareg merchants. Islam also spread in the region by the founders of Sufi brotherhoods. Even then, because of the (sub-saharan) African lack of emphasis on the written word, events were recorded only by outside muslims introducing the religion. With this came Islamic manuscripts. However, while the North, West and East coasts (esp the Horn of Africa) benefitted from contact with muslim traders (mostly Arabs), the interior's population were still largely nomadic and isolated, with no real need/motivation to advance themselves.

    Meanwhile, Alexandria was arguably the greatest center of intellectual thought. The Byzantines had the rest of the Great Library effectively destroyed, previously (because the church in Constantinople viewed science as heretical to Christianity). Thus Alexandria passed to yet another culture. This sparked intellectual growth in the Arabic Empire. Among other things, Al Gebra was invented there. "Algebra" as it's known today still possesses its Arabic name. The modern checking and banking system was established there, whereby Islamic traders would establish their presence in Africa and China. The number system was also established there. The numbers we use today "1, 2, 3, 4..." are called "Arabic numerals" as they were invented and used by Arabic traders.

    Why was the Arabic Empire so successful? Because it was diverse and open. It connected with other cultures. Paper money was invented by the Chinese and the Arabs quickly imported this concept. The word "Check" comes from the Arabic word "cheque/cheq" since Arabic traders couldn't afford to bring gold with them on trading excursions, since they might be robbed.

    After Europe opened itself back up to diversity and knowledge, after the Arabs had been defeated by Ottomans, who brought guns and cannons to Europe, the resulting period became known as the "Renaissance." The Renaissance (And you can read the work of historian Gavin Menzies on this) was largely funded by Chinese and Arabic capital. The Arabs had economic interests in Venice. However, the Spanish, Dutch, and Portuguese tried to find new routes of trade to China because. But the Arabic empire controlled a monopoly on most of the trade routes, so they could sell their products to Europe for higher prices because they viewed Europe as a new market for profit.

    In the process, European explorers "discovered" the Americas. Once the Europeans started to colonize these areas, they brought in more capital--and the "Cold War" between the Arabic Empire and the European kingdoms was broken because the Arabs couldn't compete financially as Europeans had reached new markets. Thus, civilization started to return to Europe as the Middle East slunk into a Dark Age (that lasts today) and the Middle East and Europe traded places.


    And that's the best summary as any that can be given for why Africans were always behind. They just weren't subject to the factors that made Indo-Europe and the Middle East great. As you can see, in the Old World, knowledge was shared and passed between peoples.

    This was all thanks to the Phoenician, Sumerian, and Babylonian writing systems. The modern writing system we use today comes from Phoenician. Greeks developed their writing system centuries later to model the Phoenician system, and from the Greek and Phoenician alphabets emerged today's "Latin Alphabet" of the characters "A, B, C, D,..." and so on.

    But no such writing system existed in Africa. Africans couldn't trade or exchange ideas because there was no writing system.


    Thus, if you don't have the time to read the above summary, it boils down to six things.
    SUMMARY: Trade, proximity, free-thought, diversity, trade routes, and written "PHONETIC" language from the Middle east helped the Old World become great.

    Africans only had themselves, while Mesopotamia, being conveniently located in a "fertile crescent" surpassed them on all counts. Mesopotamia was also conveniently located within proximity to the Nile culture, as well as the Indus river valley (the Harappan civilization and Mohenjo Daro). Though, the Nile culture wouldn't exist for sometime after.

    Anyway, thanks for your time. I realize this board isn't scientifically or intellectually inclined, and is instead nationalistically inclined, but I hopefully wasn't hurting anyone by stating facts.
    Hopefully, there will be sensible responses.
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    The whole colonialism thing doesnt wash any more. They have had decades to get over it.

    Maybe the white man in the west should keep completely out of Africa? In this way they would truly be responsible for their progress or downfall. Dont send aid, dont send arms, dont set up MSF camps to cure illness..just do nothing.
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    (Original post by wonderandmystery)
    There were violence as an inherent part of African culture long before the Western imperialism if Africa was important. Look at Shaka the chieftain who used to kill his soldiers for the slightest of infractions. So why must slavery and "imperialism" ( the former of which involved Africans as much if not more than Whites and was practiced by Africa long after European civilisation has abolished it) be used poorly as the scapegoat for the cause of all Africa's problems?

    Bonus question.

    I know that Asian culture has given the world a lot so has Arab culture (until the 18th century or even before that, since then little but conflict) and European culture has perhaps given the most to the world, but African culture seems to have given the world very little in terms of technology and science. So examples to the contrary are welcome (not rap music that is a horrific violation of culture).
    The fact is colonisation has provided nothing to africa. It has only caused problems that didn't occur before such as placing different ethnic groups under one ruler.

    The tutsi/hutu genocide and ogaden war are two deadly conflicts that have occured due to it.

    Apart from kenya/south africa no country was given a path towards economic development. The british built trains and road in kenya the italians took bannans and other produce from somalia.

    The cold war also caused many dictators to rise e.g. Ethiopia and conflict to.


    The world bank has also caused countries to sell of all they have e.g. Water systems causing water prices to rise exponentionaly in africa.


    The unstability in africa caused by conflicts due to colonisation and debt to world bank and IMF due to money given to corrupt governments has detered all investment. So while china has been growing africa has not.

    What africa needs is all debt written of and military help to get rid of al shaabab and boko haram. It also needs foreign direct investment which it lacks.

    North africa, kenya and south africa have had growth due to stability.

    Stability is the key.

    Rap cultue is not african.

    Africa does have its own culture go experience it.
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    (Original post by duckchin)
    Ok, quick history lesson so get comfortable...


    The true reason why Africa is perceived by the West as backwards is not inherent violence or low IQ, but because firstly, Africans (mainly sub-saharans and during ancient times) were never really motivated socially to progress or advance. They were not technoligically inclined either. The generally nomadic lifestlye suited them, and they didn't have a reason to change.

    Africans weren't as motivated to progress (compared to Europe, Middle East and Asia) until they came into contact with other cultures--the first of which were the Arabs.

    History shows that competition (and to an extent, diversity) are what fuels progression. Because coming into contact with other groups stimulates growth. For a simple example of this, look at the level of advancement between Greeks compared to the advancement of Vandals and Vikings. Scandinavians were uncivilized and savage precisely because they weren't diverse and came into contact with no one other than un-advanced tribes, and perhaps Celtic tribes (the Celts were more advanced in terms of metal-working) to the South.

    Meanwhile, while Northern European tribes were considered backwards by the Greeks, the Greeks were building cities, their artisans made statues, and they created the Olympics, and they theorized about the atom, democracy, and the Republic.
    Why was this? Because Greeks were not only naturally industrious, but they had access via trade with the premier empires of the world and the cradle of civilization.

    Unlike Africa, there was a free flow of ideas into Europe from Asia. Ideas traveled from Persia and Egypt to Greece. And Persia, Greece, and Egypt all benefited mutually from their interractions. Because the competition stimulated growth.

    No real competition existed in Africa to stimulate such growth, because Africans as a people were nomadic and hadn't made cities until within the past 2000 years. While Babylon, Sumeria, and Akkadia had established cities all over the Cradle of Civilization: Mesopotamia.


    The Greeks have much that they owe to the Sumerians and Akkadians, who invented farming and civilization. This meme quickly spread from Mesopotamia, reaching Egypt, the Indus valley (Mohenjo Daro), and then Greece.

    Meanwhile, Chinese were establishing a civilization in the Yangtzee river valley.


    But Africa just was too isolated. As before stated, isolationism stagnates growth. It was Babylonian and Sumerian ideas which made Greece great--thus Greece benefited from this free-flow of ideas. In fact, Greek knowledge of astronomy and science doesn't even touch Sumeria, who famously depicted the Sun being orbited by the various planets.

    Rome, likewise, would have never become great if not for the exchange of ideas. Rome was, as some of you may know, initially a trading port established by Phoenicia. Phoenicia was located in modern-day Palestine and Lebanon. And Greece and Phoenicia colonized much of the Mediterranean.

    Not only did the Phoenicians establish Rome, they established trading points all along North Africa. Which was the precursor to the Carthaginian empire.

    After Phoenicia fell, Carthage and Rome emerged from the remnants of their civilization. Romans were highly uncivilized and took most of their culture from the Etruscans who lived nearby. However, as Rome became larger, they recieved an influx of Greek culture. By the time Rome controlled the entire Italian peninsula, Alexander the Great had already conquered the known word, bringing in new ideas from Persia, Egypt and even India.

    But Greece was eventually conquered by Romans. The Greeks viewed Romans as savages with no culture, and the Romans were in awe of Greek culture, thus they adopted not only words from the Greek language into Latin, but they adopted the Greek pantheon, Zodiac, astrology, and all Greek science.

    Thus we can see an unbroken archeological line where ideas moved from Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq) and made it to Phoenicia (Palestine/Lebanon) and from there to the warring city-states in Greece.

    After the Vandals and other tribes invaded Rome from Northern Europe and Scandinavia they knocked Europe back intellectually perhaps a 1000 years. And Europe experienced a Dark Age and became more isolated than it was during the days of Rome. Thus, there is a correlation between isolationism and lack of intellectualism. Coupled with anti-scientific Church suppression, Europe languished as a continent of warring Christian kingdoms and factions. They had virtually abandoned the legacy laid down to them from Greece, Sumeria, Babylon, and others.

    Meanwhile, the Islamic conquest was taking hold in the Middle East. After Northern European tribes had defeated Rome, leaving Constantinople behind, Arab conquests took control of North Africa, Egypt, and Mesopotamia. While Europe languished in the Dark Ages, the Islamic Empire created the greatest civilization of the time. It imported the ideas from Rome and Greece and the old Persian culture. It didn't have to start from scratch, just like Rome and Athens never started from scratch. There is a reason Mali is often cited as one of the few examples of Sub-Saharan civilization - the adoption of Islam, brought there by Muslim Berber and Tuareg merchants. Islam also spread in the region by the founders of Sufi brotherhoods. Even then, because of the (sub-saharan) African lack of emphasis on the written word, events were recorded only by outside muslims introducing the religion. With this came Islamic manuscripts. However, while the North, West and East coasts (esp the Horn of Africa) benefitted from contact with muslim traders (mostly Arabs), the interior's population were still largely nomadic and isolated, with no real need/motivation to advance themselves.

    Meanwhile, Alexandria was arguably the greatest center of intellectual thought. The Byzantines had the rest of the Great Library effectively destroyed, previously (because the church in Constantinople viewed science as heretical to Christianity). Thus Alexandria passed to yet another culture. This sparked intellectual growth in the Arabic Empire. Among other things, Al Gebra was invented there. "Algebra" as it's known today still possesses its Arabic name. The modern checking and banking system was established there, whereby Islamic traders would establish their presence in Africa and China. The number system was also established there. The numbers we use today "1, 2, 3, 4..." are called "Arabic numerals" as they were invented and used by Arabic traders.

    Why was the Arabic Empire so successful? Because it was diverse and open. It connected with other cultures. Paper money was invented by the Chinese and the Arabs quickly imported this concept. The word "Check" comes from the Arabic word "cheque/cheq" since Arabic traders couldn't afford to bring gold with them on trading excursions, since they might be robbed.

    After Europe opened itself back up to diversity and knowledge, after the Arabs had been defeated by Ottomans, who brought guns and cannons to Europe, the resulting period became known as the "Renaissance." The Renaissance (And you can read the work of historian Gavin Menzies on this) was largely funded by Chinese and Arabic capital. The Arabs had economic interests in Venice. However, the Spanish, Dutch, and Portuguese tried to find new routes of trade to China because. But the Arabic empire controlled a monopoly on most of the trade routes, so they could sell their products to Europe for higher prices because they viewed Europe as a new market for profit.

    In the process, European explorers "discovered" the Americas. Once the Europeans started to colonize these areas, they brought in more capital--and the "Cold War" between the Arabic Empire and the European kingdoms was broken because the Arabs couldn't compete financially as Europeans had reached new markets. Thus, civilization started to return to Europe as the Middle East slunk into a Dark Age (that lasts today) and the Middle East and Europe traded places.


    And that's the best summary as any that can be given for why Africans were always behind. They just weren't subject to the factors that made Indo-Europe and the Middle East great. As you can see, in the Old World, knowledge was shared and passed between peoples.

    This was all thanks to the Phoenician, Sumerian, and Babylonian writing systems. The modern writing system we use today comes from Phoenician. Greeks developed their writing system centuries later to model the Phoenician system, and from the Greek and Phoenician alphabets emerged today's "Latin Alphabet" of the characters "A, B, C, D,..." and so on.

    But no such writing system existed in Africa. Africans couldn't trade or exchange ideas because there was no writing system.


    Thus, if you don't have the time to read the above summary, it boils down to six things.
    SUMMARY: Trade, proximity, free-thought, diversity, trade routes, and written "PHONETIC" language from the Middle east helped the Old World become great.

    Africans only had themselves, while Mesopotamia, being conveniently located in a "fertile crescent" surpassed them on all counts. Mesopotamia was also conveniently located within proximity to the Nile culture, as well as the Indus river valley (the Harappan civilization and Mohenjo Daro). Though, the Nile culture wouldn't exist for sometime after.

    Anyway, thanks for your time. I realize this board isn't scientifically or intellectually inclined, and is instead nationalistically inclined, but I hopefully wasn't hurting anyone by stating facts.
    Hopefully, there will be sensible


    responses.


    Ok.

    You missed a few things.

    There were great civilisations in West africa which were very wealthy. There were also great trading cities along the horn pf africa which used to take spices from india and tripiled the price to the roman and greeks. They had many wars with the portugese who tried to disrupt this trade route established by omanis and somalis.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marit...ory_of_Somalia

    The land of punt is also situated in modern day somalia djbouti and eriteria. It is spoken highly of by eygptician civilisation who originated from there and had traded with them.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_Punt

    Please go learn some african history.

    We we never savages (a racist term ) but rather pastorilists like we are still today.

    Africa never had the same access to the islamic golden age and european knowledge which spread knowledge to the europe and the middle east. The number system spread by islamic empire did not reach africa till a much later date for example.
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    It's all the evil Wests fault, nothing to do with the fact colonialism of some sort existed in all empires (including African ones).
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    (Original post by wonderandmystery)
    There were violence as an inherent part of African culture long before the Western imperialism if Africa was important. Look at Shaka the chieftain who used to kill his soldiers for the slightest of infractions. So why must slavery and "imperialism" ( the former of which involved Africans as much if not more than Whites and was practiced by Africa long after European civilisation has abolished it) be used poorly as the scapegoat for the cause of all Africa's problems?

    Bonus question.

    I know that Asian culture has given the world a lot so has Arab culture (until the 18th century or even before that, since then little but conflict) and European culture has perhaps given the most to the world, but African culture seems to have given the world very little in terms of technology and science. So examples to the contrary are welcome (not rap music that is a horrific violation of culture).
    Not much considering Africa declined and was overtaken in terms of technical / scientific / military superiority by Europe / Arabs / Asia fairly early.
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    (Original post by duckchin)
    Great summary
    You missed out the Hulagu Khan and Mongols burning of Baghdad, and their influence on Islamic cultural decline into what it is today.
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    (Original post by TheRageTrain)
    You missed out the Hulagu Khan and Mongols burning of Baghdad, and their influence on Islamic cultural decline into what it is today.
    What has Baghdad got to do with this topic?
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    Because it's basic fact...duh......

    Colonialism did limit Africa, maybe there are other reasons, but then it's fact.
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    why African "leaders" blame the west for their problems

    Us Africans do not blame the west but we blame the government for not keeping their promises. Instead of making the situations better there are making it worse. What they do is run after money, have the latest cars and big luxury houses.

    For countries that have war in Africa most of them have oil. Oil is a very expensive mineral and every country in the world wants to get hands on it because with that you are richer than the person with gold. That is why they will never be peace in those countries. That is why those African countries Blame the western countries.
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    (Original post by Sofia D)
    why African "leaders" blame the west for their problems

    Us Africans do not blame the west but we blame the government for not keeping their promises. Instead of making the situations better there are making it worse. What they do is run after money, have the latest cars and big luxury houses.

    For countries that have war in Africa most of them have oil. Oil is a very expensive mineral and every country in the world wants to get hands on it because with that you are richer than the person with gold. That is why they will never be peace in those countries. That is why those African countries Blame the western countries.
    Better to trade than destroy a country.,..
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    (Original post by Yi-Ge-Ningderen)
    What has Baghdad got to do with this topic?
    Relevant to his point about the flow of scientific discovery from culture to culture and how much of continental Africa was excluded from this flow. It was a gap in his timeline, where the library was destroyed.
 
 
 

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