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The end of the 'traditional' British pub?
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Reply 40
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by yoursoulismineI blame the refusal and incapability to engage with younger drinkers and women. The smoking ban was a huge blow to the traditional pub though.
I agree with this.
A few times I've gone to traditional pubs on recommendations from people at work or sometimes from reviews on the internet, and found them cliquey and unwelcoming.
I think the traditional British pub has a core audience, local men, many of whom have been going for years, and want to socialise with the same group. It's not really about meeting other people which is what most younger people want to do.
Traditional pubs rely on their core audience and its a small market and probably declining so obviously they aren't that profitable.
Reply 41
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I made a short film on the issues of pubs closing from the point of view of two pub landlords: https://vimeo.com/95711524
Reply 42
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I like an old fashioned pub I don't want them to close
Reply 43
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It's a mixture of things.
Partly taxation of pubs have forced them to raise prices much higher than inflation and by comparison beer in supermarkets has become drastically cheaper.
For young people who are tight on money it's a no brainer... £9-£10 for roughly 3 pints or the same amount for an entire crate?
Then you have chains popping up who can afford to renovate pubs, many landlords simply cannot afford to do so to the same standard and loose income. Again you have chains of bars, pubs and clubs who like supermarkets can undercut traditional pubs on price.
Smoking ban was a huge blow seeing the majority of pub goers at the time smoked.
Many now think they have to become a food establishment to survive.... but everyone is doing it meaning only the best food pub survive. Even then they get stuck into a trap of only being able to make money through food, not the traditional mixture or more drinking orientated pubs.
And also ask many people in rural communities, stricter application of drink driving laws in rural area's has cut down intake. People won't argue a good thing, but it reduces peoples willingness to travel to a pub seeing many villages now lack their own pub.
When I first started going to the pub with my father around 10 years ago they would still be full with a reasonable amount of young people. Just the price of beer in pubs, breweries, the recession and supermarkets has diminished the entire pub industry.
Partly taxation of pubs have forced them to raise prices much higher than inflation and by comparison beer in supermarkets has become drastically cheaper.
For young people who are tight on money it's a no brainer... £9-£10 for roughly 3 pints or the same amount for an entire crate?
Then you have chains popping up who can afford to renovate pubs, many landlords simply cannot afford to do so to the same standard and loose income. Again you have chains of bars, pubs and clubs who like supermarkets can undercut traditional pubs on price.
Smoking ban was a huge blow seeing the majority of pub goers at the time smoked.
Many now think they have to become a food establishment to survive.... but everyone is doing it meaning only the best food pub survive. Even then they get stuck into a trap of only being able to make money through food, not the traditional mixture or more drinking orientated pubs.
And also ask many people in rural communities, stricter application of drink driving laws in rural area's has cut down intake. People won't argue a good thing, but it reduces peoples willingness to travel to a pub seeing many villages now lack their own pub.
When I first started going to the pub with my father around 10 years ago they would still be full with a reasonable amount of young people. Just the price of beer in pubs, breweries, the recession and supermarkets has diminished the entire pub industry.
Reply 44
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by CamoxideI made a short film on the issues of pubs closing from the point of view of two pub landlords: https://vimeo.com/95711524
That's really good!
Reply 45
I work part-time in a "traditional" pub and I couldn't disagree more with those who think it's dying out. It is now a community pub and is prospering from great success.
http://www.tallyhoinn.co.uk/
http://www.tallyhoinn.co.uk/
Reply 46
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by DanB1991That's really good!
Thanks
Reply 47
The closest pub to me is being turned into flats because a guy was shot dead outside it, it wasn't traditional anyway though.
£3.20 a pint in 2008!
£3.20 a pint in 2008!
Reply 48
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by LJStudentI work part-time in a "traditional" pub and I couldn't disagree more with those who think it's dying out. It is now a community pub and is prospering from great success.
http://www.tallyhoinn.co.uk/
http://www.tallyhoinn.co.uk/
Looking at the menu, the opening time and "some" of the food prices it looks more like one of these food pubs, that use the "community pub" title to cater to the "tally ho" country folk crowd (ironic with the name as well).
How much does the beer cost?
I used to work at what seems like an almost identical pub called the Red Lion.... it also held the tag of "community pub"... wasn't really what most people would call a traditional pub and drinkers were often pushed aside into a small area in favour of people eating.
Reply 49
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by DanB1991Looking at the menu, the opening time and "some" of the food prices it looks more like one of these food pubs, that use the "community pub" title to cater to the "tally ho" country folk crowd (ironic with the name as well).
How much does the beer cost?
I used to work at what seems like an almost identical pub called the Red Lion.... it also held the tag of "community pub"... wasn't really what most people would call a traditional pub and drinkers were often pushed aside into a small area in favour of people eating.
How much does the beer cost?
I used to work at what seems like an almost identical pub called the Red Lion.... it also held the tag of "community pub"... wasn't really what most people would call a traditional pub and drinkers were often pushed aside into a small area in favour of people eating.
On the contrary, our pub is proud of being a drinker's pub - we recently had a 2 day beer festival that was very successful
There's another pub locally which claims to be similar but is simply a restaurant with a bar, definitely a different experience. Most people don't feel comfortable going there just to have a drink.
A pint is around £3.20 but all the beer is from local breweries
Reply 50
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by yoursoulisminehttp://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/aug/12/pubs-closing-rate-31-week
Yes brewers, pubcos and huge supermarket chains such as Tesco are all to blame, but there's a lot of things that IMO Organisations such as Camra and hardcore real ale people fail to understand. Many local pubs in my opinion were too late to respond to change in trends and seem to ignore the needs and demands of the younger generation (under 40s). The traditional pub is dying in my opinion and has had it's day.
I disagree with the retarded Guardian crowd. In these cases it's adapt, evolve or die. Myself I don't give a **** about Camra or 'Real Ale' enthusiasts to be honest. They're all out of touch with the rest of the population. If it was up to them the only thing we'd serve in the UK is piss weak golden and mild ales.
In my opinion sometimes we need to let go of nostalgia and move on.
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Yes brewers, pubcos and huge supermarket chains such as Tesco are all to blame, but there's a lot of things that IMO Organisations such as Camra and hardcore real ale people fail to understand. Many local pubs in my opinion were too late to respond to change in trends and seem to ignore the needs and demands of the younger generation (under 40s). The traditional pub is dying in my opinion and has had it's day.
I disagree with the retarded Guardian crowd. In these cases it's adapt, evolve or die. Myself I don't give a **** about Camra or 'Real Ale' enthusiasts to be honest. They're all out of touch with the rest of the population. If it was up to them the only thing we'd serve in the UK is piss weak golden and mild ales.
In my opinion sometimes we need to let go of nostalgia and move on.
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I equate 'traditional pub' with that dingy smoke filled rancid smelling and clapped out looking dark cave filled with dirty old alcoholics and literally nothing of any value to attract customers to the place, and that's how the few regular clientèle + dinosaur landlord/lady wanna keep it.
Probably not accurate in many cases but accurate enough I can't bring myself to mourn the passing of 'traditional' pubs with much sincerity.
Reply 51
Nah, the traditional pub is doing fine. You really can't beat them. Cosy snugs with raging fires during the winter, packed beer gardens during the summer. Great range of beers, cheap but good quality food.
A real part of the community, pool teams, darts teams, pub quizzes, some even have football and cricket teams. All fantastic stuff, great ways to relax and socialise. The number of hot girls I've met in quaint little pubs...
A real part of the community, pool teams, darts teams, pub quizzes, some even have football and cricket teams. All fantastic stuff, great ways to relax and socialise. The number of hot girls I've met in quaint little pubs...
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