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Epsilon delta proof question?!?!

Let xn = (3n^2 + 2n 1)/(n^2 + 2). Find L such that xn L as n ∞. Given
Epsilon > 0, find a number N such that |xn L| <  for all n > N.

Let xn = (2n + 1)/√2 + n^4
. Find L such that xn L as n ∞. Given
Epsilon > 0, find a number N such that |xn L| < Epsilon for all n > N


Once I do xn-L i have too many n terms??
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This looks so boring and tedious. Do you actually enjoy this stuff?
No, no I do not but it must be done
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Original post by CammieInfinity
Let xn = (3n^2 + 2n 1)/(n^2 + 2). Find L such that xn L as n ∞. Given
Epsilon > 0, find a number N such that |xn L| < for all n > N.

Let xn = (2n + 1)/√2 + n^4
. Find L such that xn L as n ∞. Given
Epsilon > 0, find a number N such that |xn L| < Epsilon for all n > N


Once I do xn-L i have too many n terms??


The first question is:

Prove that

3n2+2n1n2+2=3n2+6n4n1n2+2=34n+1n2+23\displaystyle \frac{3n^2+2n-1}{n^2+2}=\frac{3n^2+6n-4n-1}{n^2+2}=3-\frac{4n+1}{n^2+2}\rightarrow 3

So L=3 L=3

(that is the limit of the sequence is L when for any positive ϵ>0\epsilon>0 there exist NN ( N=N(ϵ)N=N(\epsilon) ) such that xnL<ϵ|x_n-L|<\epsilon when
n>Nn>N

To answer the question you have to solve an inequality

3n2+2n1n2+23<ϵ\displaystyle \left |\frac{3n^2+2n-1}{n^2+2}-3\right |<\epsilon

that is

4n1n2+2<ϵ\displaystyle \left |\frac{-4\cdot n-1}{n^2+2}\right |<\epsilon

4n+1n2+2<ϵ\displaystyle \frac{4n+1}{n^2+2}<\epsilon

ϵn2+(2ϵ4)n1>0\displaystyle \epsilon \cdot n^2 +(2\epsilon -4)n-1>0

n1,2=42ϵ±16+4ϵ216ϵ+4ϵ2ϵ<\displaystyle n_{1,2}=\frac{4-2\epsilon \pm \sqrt{16+4\epsilon^2-16\epsilon +4\epsilon}}{2\epsilon}<

<42ϵ+16+4ϵ2+16ϵ2ϵ=\displaystyle <\frac{4-2\epsilon + \sqrt{16+4\epsilon^2+16\epsilon }}{2\epsilon}=

=42ϵ+4+2ϵ2ϵ=4ϵ\displaystyle =\frac{4-2\epsilon+4+2\epsilon}{2\epsilon}=\frac{4}{\epsilon}
when \epsilon <2

So tha N=4ϵ\displaystyle N=\frac{4}{\epsilon} exist for all ϵ>0\epsilon>0
so L=3
(edited 9 years ago)
Original post by ztibor
The first question is:

Prove that

3n2+2n1n2+2=3n2+6n4n1n2+2=34n+1n2+23\displaystyle \frac{3n^2+2n-1}{n^2+2}=\frac{3n^2+6n-4n-1}{n^2+2}=3-\frac{4n+1}{n^2+2}\rightarrow 3

So L=3 L=3

(that is the limit of the sequence is L when for any positive ϵ>0\epsilon>0 there exist NN ( N=N(ϵ)N=N(\epsilon) ) such that xnL<ϵ|x_n-L|<\epsilon when
n>Nn>N

To answer the question you have to solve an inequality

3n2+2n1n2+23<ϵ\displaystyle \left |\frac{3n^2+2n-1}{n^2+2}-3\right |<\epsilon

that is

4n1n2+2<ϵ\displaystyle \left |\frac{-4\cdot n-1}{n^2+2}\right |<\epsilon

4n+1n2+2<ϵ\displaystyle \frac{4n+1}{n^2+2}<\epsilon

ϵn2+(2ϵ4)n1>0\displaystyle \epsilon \cdot n^2 +(2\epsilon -4)n-1>0

n1,2=42ϵ±16+4ϵ216ϵ+4ϵ2ϵ<\displaystyle n_{1,2}=\frac{4-2\epsilon \pm \sqrt{16+4\epsilon^2-16\epsilon +4\epsilon}}{2\epsilon}<

<42ϵ+16+4ϵ2+16ϵ2ϵ=\displaystyle <\frac{4-2\epsilon + \sqrt{16+4\epsilon^2+16\epsilon }}{2\epsilon}=

=42ϵ+4+2ϵ2ϵ=4ϵ\displaystyle =\frac{4-2\epsilon+4+2\epsilon}{2\epsilon}=\frac{4}{\epsilon}
when \epsilon <2

So tha N=4ϵ\displaystyle N=\frac{4}{\epsilon} exist for all ϵ>0\epsilon>0
so L=3


You shouldn't really post full solutions.
Why not? It was V helpful, thank you. Although the other question is more tricky because it doesn't work out as a simple quadratic :s-smilie:
Reply 6
Original post by CammieInfinity
Why not?


Official TSR policy is NOT to post full solutions except as a last resort.

Normally we try to help people by providing hints etc so that they can work towards a solution by themselves.
Well the only bit I didn't get was the end so it's really a null point.

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