The Liverpool FC Thread XII

Not the point i was making. Rodgers got rid of Carroll as he didn't suit his style of play, then a few seasons on buys a target man? Hence why I call him a fraud, don't think he has a clue what he's doing.


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The only thing I wish is Liverpool finishing top 4, then in the summer buy quality players, and bring a quality manager (depends on Rodgers final league position)...

I only want a premier league, why is that so difficult? (and keep winning them, obviously)

I'd piss myself laughing if you win one the year after Gerrard retires.

I can see where Luke's coming from though. When you're spending that much money you need people to be hitting the ground running. You don't want the set the team back a couple of years surely - which is what has happened. I have little doubt that a lot of these signing will come good, but there we go. After finishing 2nd you want to build on it. Losing Suarez, and Sturridge for half a season is bad, but that's why you must replace Suarez - and I'm sure there must be some that fit that sort of category out there and fit the team's counter attacking style, even if i'm not sure who would fit myself - scouts are paid for this!

Whilst this is true to some extent you can't buy all your players based on 'potential', it'll affect their development if they're playing in a team which isn't getting results and they don't have anyone to learn from.

Wasn't aware of those stats, but that's just appalling. He's not a top four player. I've heard Liverpool fans talking about him being class and a secret hero but that's awful. He's just Tom Cleverley Mk 2.

Would you trust Rodgers with more money? Not sure I would.

I'd piss myself laughing if you win one the year after Gerrard retires.

I'll say I think you're being a little harsh on Allen. In the grand scheme of things goals and assists are not his game and throw in a few pointless goals and assists, then you couldn't make that accusation, but would he then be a success? I think its just a throw away stat so the wider point doesn't need to be evidenced. His job is not be be shooting or making the kind of passes that lead to goal, so why is the lack of him doing that relevant?


I think he's just redundant in your set up, but I would say when he arrived that wasn't the case, got player of the month when he first arrived did he? When you've got players like Lucas, or Gerrard playing a Pirlo role from deep, or just are playing very fast fluid counter attacking play, his role (as such he as a player) is just a spare part.

Joe Allen was always of the quality he was going to be a squad player, but you then take a specialised squad player and play him outside of the role and wonder why he looks ****. He probably shouldn't be in there, but I don't think you can aim any vitriol at him personally. If Rodgers brought him in, he has to do so with the knowledge Liverpool are going to be playing a system which suits him and has a place for him.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong buying for the future.
Potential can be an excellent money saver that some of the best clubs utilise in their players.

What I'm saying is that right now we don't need potential, we need bloody quality and we simply didn't get enough of it.

We all knew this season was absolutely essential.
Make top 4 and we finally look like an attractive, consistent option for quality players.
Fail to do so and we're just accepting that last year was a one off because of suarez.

Well there's your answer. Klopp's career is still overwhelmingly positive, Rodgers' is about equal good and bad.

So does that mean AVBs and KKKennys signings are good too because a few of them worked out in the long run like Henderson, Suarez and Chadli.

I can see where Luke's coming from though. When you're spending that much money you need people to be hitting the ground running. You don't want the set the team back a couple of years surely - which is what has happened. I have little doubt that a lot of these signing will come good, but there we go. After finishing 2nd you want to build on it. Losing Suarez, and Sturridge for half a season is bad, but that's why you must replace Suarez - and I'm sure there must be some that fit that sort of category out there and fit the team's counter attacking style, even if i'm not sure who would fit myself - scouts are paid for this!

Whilst this is true to some extent you can't buy all your players based on 'potential', it'll affect their development if they're playing in a team which isn't getting results and they don't have anyone to learn from.

I'd piss myself laughing if you win one the year after Gerrard retires.

Depends how this season finishes, I think Rodgers is more positive than negative tbh.

I'd piss myself laughing if you win one the year after Gerrard retires.

So far this one is bad, as was the one when he got sacked at Reading. He's had two good ones, last year and with Swansea. The rest, ie his time at Watford and his first season at Liverpool have been average.

Now is irrelevant. If we somehow won every remaining game, would you talk about it being a bad one? Obviously that is highly unlikely but it's where we finish.

But there's nothing to suggest that will happen so it's pointless, same as talking about Soldado potentially winning the Golden Boot. Currently this is a bad season so currently Rodgers' career should be regarded as mediocre one, if the results change then the opinion changes.

If we win the Europa League or finish 4th then I'm happy enough. 4

My biggest gripe with Rodgers is how poor the signings have been. I think he's a great head coach though perhaps not "manager"? Into his 3rd season now and there are so many gaps in the squad.

We still need:
A replacement GK for Mignolet
A replacement LB for Enrique
A replacement RB for Johnson if we don't extend
A new CB to replace the dross we currently have
A long term plan for Gerrard's replacement
A better striker in addition/to replace Balotteli

He clearly didn't expect Mignolet to have the bad patch that he is currently having.
There weren't any decent LB/RB on the market - how many class LB/RB are even playing in the EPL?
We bought LLori, Sakho, Lovren and Toure. Did any of us really expect to have the problem we have had with regards to Skrtel Agger Sakho and Lovren? I don't think we could even get a defender earlier because apparently one of the reasons Suarez stayed with us was because fellow Uruguayan Coates was at the club.. but that's speculation from me.
I'm tempted to agree with you here but having a living legend still playing at the club will always be a delicate issue. I'd imagine we bought Can to replace Gerrard.
Agreed - he did try but nobody wanted to come to Liverpool. We should have gone for Remy - can understand why 'medical reasons' might have stopped that but Balotelli hadn't played in the EPL for a while and we needed someone that could score goals immediately <Rodgers should have recognised this and bought Remy but note that you can't blame him for Sturridge missing out 17 (I think) games. In hindsight it's easy to see why we should have bought Remy but we have been desperately unlucky with Sturridge. You only have to look back to a couple of months ago when we lost out on Salah... things would have been different for us if we got him.

It's not just a poor patch. Mignolet is only a good shot stopper so he's suited to a team aiming for the bottom half of the table. No presence in the box, poor distribution and little leadership.

Well even Southampton and Everton have vastly superior fullbacks so something is very wrong.

Rodgers let Agger go. Rodgers and the transfer committee need to know what was wrong with buying Sakho and Lovren. It was a lot of money for those two CBs.

Just too many mistakes and it's catching up with the side.