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    I've spent a fair amount of time looking at different laptops and keep being drawn to the allure and grandeur of Apple products, namely the 13" MacBook Pro Retina.

    I was wondering if anyone would care to recommend me an equivalent laptop running windows, I tried using PC Specialist to build my own but quickly found I was well out of my depth when being asked to choose between different makes of RAM and types of graphics cards.

    My requirements aren't particularly heavy going, I'm not looking to edit photos or videos, but I want a laptop that will last 4-5 years so the more impressive spec the better.

    Cheers.
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    (Original post by DontWantYourBloodMoney)
    I've spent a fair amount of time looking at different laptops and keep being drawn to the allure and grandeur of Apple products, namely the 13" MacBook Pro Retina.

    I was wondering if anyone would care to recommend me an equivalent laptop running windows, I tried using PC Specialist to build my own but quickly found I was well out of my depth when being asked to choose between different makes of RAM and types of graphics cards.

    My requirements aren't particularly heavy going, I'm not looking to edit photos or videos, but I want a laptop that will last 4-5 years so the more impressive spec the better.

    Cheers.
    I know you won't be doing editing, but what do you plan on using it for?
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    (Original post by Gofre)
    I know you won't be doing editing, but what do you plan on using it for?
    Thanks for replying.

    The usual things like browsing the web, watching Netflix, downloading and listening to music etc. I'll be spending a lot of time using presentation and word processing programs, and keeping up to date with the latest football manager games,

    Basically, I went into the apple store today with a mind for either the air or the entry level pro, but I'm worried about the airs 1.4Ghz processor being severely outdated in a couple of years. This leaves me the option of the entry level pro, but I want to know what I could get instead of either model.
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    (Original post by DontWantYourBloodMoney)
    Thanks for replying.

    The usual things like browsing the web, watching Netflix, downloading and listening to music etc. I'll be spending a lot of time using presentation and word processing programs, and keeping up to date with the latest football manager games,

    Basically, I went into the apple store today with a mind for either the air or the entry level pro, but I'm worried about the airs 1.4Ghz processor being severely outdated in a couple of years. This leaves me the option of the entry level pro, but I want to know what I could get instead of either model.
    For the low intensity stuff like web browsing, streaming/downloading and Office the low power CPUs will last fine- ultrabooks and tablets running low voltage processors are commonplace now and operating systems/programs are increasingly being built to accommodate this, and none of these things are particularly taxing on modern CPUs to begin with unless you're a hardcore user. I can't speak for FM though, no idea what its system requirements are or how they change from year to year.

    In terms of Air alternatives, they're going to be very similar in terms of core hardware- a low voltage U variant CPU and small to moderate SSD to accommodate the slim chassis, so in this regard they aren't going to be any better suited than the Air line when it comes to your reservations about the processor. As for the Retina Pro (ignore the non-retina, and generic i5 laptop with equivalent RAM/HDD space will be a match for it in everything but build quality), they still exist in a class of their own. That's not to say they're better than everything else, just that they have a very distinct combination of features and functionality that isn't really replicated on the Windows market at the moment- full power CPU, slim build, entirely SSD based storage, and ultra high res screen. What is it in particular you like about the Pro?
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    FM is incredibly CPU intensive. If you get an air make sure it's a 8gb RAM variant. It's a pretty good match though in terms of a laptop. I'd also likely go for the i7 variant if you went for the pro retina.

    Realistically though, you're likely best off getting the basic Air 13" and spending the extra money on a desktop.


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    For the low intensity stuff like web browsing, streaming/downloading and Office the low power CPUs will last fine- ultrabooks and tablets running low voltage processors are commonplace now and operating systems/programs are increasingly being built to accommodate this, and none of these things are particularly taxing on modern CPUs to begin with unless you're a hardcore user. I can't speak for FM though, no idea what its system requirements are or how they change from year to year.

    In terms of Air alternatives, they're going to be very similar in terms of core hardware- a low voltage U variant CPU and small to moderate SSD to accommodate the slim chassis, so in this regard they aren't going to be any better suited than the Air line when it comes to your reservations about the processor. As for the Retina Pro (ignore the non-retina, and generic i5 laptop with equivalent RAM/HDD space will be a match for it in everything but build quality), they still exist in a class of their own. That's not to say they're better than everything else, just that they have a very distinct combination of features and functionality that isn't really replicated on the Windows market at the moment- full power CPU, slim build, entirely SSD based storage, and ultra high res screen. What is it in particular you like about the Pro?
    This is all good advice for the rest of your questions. The Airs best competitor is the Lenovo Thinkpad X1, which could actually be a good option for you if you're 1) determined to run FM on a laptop 2) Not too bothered about the words 'retina display'. It's a rapid and high quality laptop (even compared to the macbook), but you're still looking at £1700 for a i7-4600u. The WQHD screen is awesome.
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    (Original post by Gofre)
    For the low intensity stuff like web browsing, streaming/downloading and Office the low power CPUs will last fine- ultrabooks and tablets running low voltage processors are commonplace now and operating systems/programs are increasingly being built to accommodate this, and none of these things are particularly taxing on modern CPUs to begin with unless you're a hardcore user. I can't speak for FM though, no idea what its system requirements are or how they change from year to year.

    In terms of Air alternatives, they're going to be very similar in terms of core hardware- a low voltage U variant CPU and small to moderate SSD to accommodate the slim chassis, so in this regard they aren't going to be any better suited than the Air line when it comes to your reservations about the processor. As for the Retina Pro (ignore the non-retina, and generic i5 laptop with equivalent RAM/HDD space will be a match for it in everything but build quality), they still exist in a class of their own. That's not to say they're better than everything else, just that they have a very distinct combination of features and functionality that isn't really replicated on the Windows market at the moment- full power CPU, slim build, entirely SSD based storage, and ultra high res screen. What is it in particular you like about the Pro?
    Cheers again for replying.

    What I like about the Pro is that it has the 2.6Ghz i5, 8GB of RAM and 9 hour battery life along with still being very lightweight. It's really the smaller processor and lack of retina screen that makes me want the pro over the Air.

    Do you think there's any comparable models at a similar price that run Windows that can match the retina pro in the weight and battery life areas but still be as powerful?
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    (Original post by samba)
    FM is incredibly CPU intensive. If you get an air make sure it's a 8gb RAM variant. It's a pretty good match though in terms of a laptop. I'd also likely go for the i7 variant if you went for the pro retina.

    Realistically though, you're likely best off getting the basic Air 13" and spending the extra money on a desktop.

    This is all good advice for the rest of your questions. The Airs best competitor is the Lenovo Thinkpad X1, which could actually be a good option for you if you're 1) determined to run FM on a laptop 2) Not too bothered about the words 'retina display'. It's a rapid and high quality laptop (even compared to the macbook), but you're still looking at £1700 for a i7-4600u. The WQHD screen is awesome.
    Cheers for replying.

    I'm not sure I'd want to get a desktop just for the purposes of playing FM to be honest, that seems a tad excessive (although I'm sure some people's lives depend on those smooth subutio 3D graphics ).

    Although I'm not overly fussed about retina display, I think it'd be a bit silly not to get a retina model now that Apple seems to be producing (or about to be) all of their products with the retina display. I'll look at the Thinkpad, but £1700 is quite a bit out of my price range. The retina pro I'm looking at (including the student discount) is coming in at £860 with 8gb RAM and an i5 2.6Ghz processor.
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    (Original post by DontWantYourBloodMoney)
    Cheers for replying.

    I'm not sure I'd want to get a desktop just for the purposes of playing FM to be honest, that seems a tad excessive (although I'm sure some people's lives depend on those smooth subutio 3D graphics ).

    Although I'm not overly fussed about retina display, I think it'd be a bit silly not to get a retina model now that Apple seems to be producing (or about to be) all of their products with the retina display. I'll look at the Thinkpad, but £1700 is quite a bit out of my price range. The retina pro I'm looking at (including the student discount) is coming in at £860 with 8gb RAM and an i5 2.6Ghz processor.
    WQHD is like retina tbh, which is just a name (apple and non apple fanboys will argue forever which is better, but they are both amazing) - No need for the thinkpad though if you don't want the portability of an Air. (which comes in at around £1700 too) FM would run better on an i7, but should be perfectly playable on an i5, perhaps a little slow to load/process etc. Make sure you do get 8gb of RAM for it. £860 is a very decent price though for that.

    The nice thing about a desktop (for me at least) isn't that it's 'just for gaming;' it's that I can leave my games at home and not have them available in lectures. FM for example is incredibly easy to play all the way through every lecture, and you're paying 9k a year for uni so you want to do well. Also gives you a focal point if you want to properly focus on work at halls/home with a big screen etc.
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    (Original post by samba)
    WQHD is like retina tbh, which is just a name (apple and non apple fanboys will argue forever which is better, but they are both amazing) - No need for the thinkpad though if you don't want the portability of an Air. (which comes in at around £1700 too) FM would run better on an i7, but should be perfectly playable on an i5, perhaps a little slow to load/process etc. Make sure you do get 8gb of RAM for it. £860 is a very decent price though for that.

    The nice thing about a desktop (for me at least) isn't that it's 'just for gaming;' it's that I can leave my games at home and not have them available in lectures. FM for example is incredibly easy to play all the way through every lecture, and you're paying 9k a year for uni so you want to do well. Also gives you a focal point if you want to properly focus on work at halls/home with a big screen etc.
    Cheers for the advice. As far i was aware though an Air comes in at around £800 with 8gb ram and the student discount.

    I've pretty much ruled out a desktop, I've already done a degree and didn't get too distracted by the laptop in front of me in lectures. Ill have a look at the thinkpad though, do you have any other suggestions for comparable laptops running windows?
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    (Original post by DontWantYourBloodMoney)
    Cheers for the advice. As far i was aware though an Air comes in at around £800 with 8gb ram and the student discount.

    I've pretty much ruled out a desktop, I've already done a degree and didn't get too distracted by the laptop in front of me in lectures. Ill have a look at the thinkpad though, do you have any other suggestions for comparable laptops running windows?
    MacBook Pro retina 13/15". It's really good
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    (Original post by DontWantYourBloodMoney)
    Cheers for the advice. As far i was aware though an Air comes in at around £800 with 8gb ram and the student discount.

    I've pretty much ruled out a desktop, I've already done a degree and didn't get too distracted by the laptop in front of me in lectures. Ill have a look at the thinkpad though, do you have any other suggestions for comparable laptops running windows?
    To my knowledge, the laptops running WQHD (retina display typa thing) are fairly limited, and prices all start around £1100. I think the X1 is still the best offering.
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    (Original post by DontWantYourBloodMoney)
    I've spent a fair amount of time looking at different laptops and keep being drawn to the allure and grandeur of Apple products, namely the 13" MacBook Pro Retina.

    I was wondering if anyone would care to recommend me an equivalent laptop running windows, I tried using PC Specialist to build my own but quickly found I was well out of my depth when being asked to choose between different makes of RAM and types of graphics cards.

    My requirements aren't particularly heavy going, I'm not looking to edit photos or videos, but I want a laptop that will last 4-5 years so the more impressive spec the better.

    Cheers.
    Its not hard at all looool
    Just follow the drop down guide, the lower the more powerful.

    However FM isn't hard to play at all, anything can play that game to be franke. Your needs are very basic to be honest.
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    Its not hard at all looool
    Just follow the drop down guide, the lower the more powerful.

    However FM isn't hard to play at all, anything can play that game to be franke. Your needs are very basic to be honest.
    What isn't hard at all?

    I realise that just about any laptop can play FM, what id like mine to do is play it well, as a post above said its very cpu intensive and in just making sure an entry level macbook can handle this.
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    (Original post by DontWantYourBloodMoney)
    What isn't hard at all?

    I realise that just about any laptop can play FM, what id like mine to do is play it well, as a post above said its very cpu intensive and in just making sure an entry level macbook can handle this.
    Picking the specs from pcspecialist......ah, i would suspect fm on mac is probably better optimised
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    (Original post by DontWantYourBloodMoney)
    I've spent a fair amount of time looking at different laptops and keep being drawn to the allure and grandeur of Apple products, namely the 13" MacBook Pro Retina.

    I was wondering if anyone would care to recommend me an equivalent laptop running windows, I tried using PC Specialist to build my own but quickly found I was well out of my depth when being asked to choose between different makes of RAM and types of graphics cards.

    My requirements aren't particularly heavy going, I'm not looking to edit photos or videos, but I want a laptop that will last 4-5 years so the more impressive spec the better.

    Cheers.
    The 13" MBP w/RD is probably the better laptop to buy today and will definitely last 5 years.

    Put it this way up until recently we still used a Core2Duo MBA without a problem and the person who bought it is grateful for it because it still works perfectly fine for MS Office, internet and the occasional games here and there.

    In terms of processors it has pretty much reached the peak in terms of power, next generation of it will simply use less energy or become smaller rather that outright more powerful.

    Vast majority of Macs these days aren't used for video or graphics editing and contrary to popular believe majority of graphics and video editing aren't done on Macs either (or at least not those you buy off shelves)

    If you start looking for laptops that perform as well as a Mac especially when you put portability and reliability into it they will cost more generally.
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    (Original post by Alfissti)
    In terms of processors it has pretty much reached the peak in terms of power, next generation of it will simply use less energy or become smaller rather that outright more powerful.
    Ummmmm, which is why processors are still getting better? We're still quite a long way from Moore's Law no longer holding

    If you start looking for laptops that perform as well as a Mac especially when you put portability...
    Point out a decent laptop that is still really thick and heavy that is still on sale

    ...and reliability into it they will cost more generally.
    And Apple laptops aren't even the most reliable laptops out there (they come out as 4th and a fair bit behind first)
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    (Original post by Iqbal007)
    Picking the specs from pcspecialist......ah, i would suspect fm on mac is probably better optimised
    Cheers for replying

    Yeah, I was able to pick the comparable spec, but i don't have any knowledge on the different brands of ram and such like, and the actual physical laptop body may not have been as good as the macbooks.
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    (Original post by Alfissti)
    The 13" MBP w/RD is probably the better laptop to buy today and will definitely last 5 years.

    Put it this way up until recently we still used a Core2Duo MBA without a problem and the person who bought it is grateful for it because it still works perfectly fine for MS Office, internet and the occasional games here and there.

    In terms of processors it has pretty much reached the peak in terms of power, next generation of it will simply use less energy or become smaller rather that outright more powerful.

    Vast majority of Macs these days aren't used for video or graphics editing and contrary to popular believe majority of graphics and video editing aren't done on Macs either (or at least not those you buy off shelves)

    If you start looking for laptops that perform as well as a Mac especially when you put portability and reliability into it they will cost more generally.
    Thanks for replying!

    Yeah, in pretty much set on a macbook pro now. IM definitely going to get the 13 inch version, its just a case of deciding whether to up either the ssd size or the processor
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    (Original post by DontWantYourBloodMoney)
    Thanks for replying!

    Yeah, in pretty much set on a macbook pro now. IM definitely going to get the 13 inch version, its just a case of deciding whether to up either the ssd size or the processor
    Either up the SSD size or get an external to go with it. I'd probably up the processor and get a external to go with it (they are cheap)

    No need to listen to most of the posts here if you want retina; as I said before the WQHD's are few and far between, and expensive.

    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    And Apple laptops aren't even the most reliable laptops out there (they come out as 4th and a fair bit behind first)
    You might have an answer then :p: Can you think of any decent alternative for what he wants other than the Lenovo Thinkpad X1?
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    (Original post by samba)
    Either up the SSD size or get an external to go with it. I'd probably up the processor and get a external to go with it (they are cheap)

    No need to listen to most of the posts here if you want retina; as I said before the WQHD's are few and far between, and expensive.



    You might have an answer then :p: Can you think of any decent alternative for what he wants other than the Lenovo Thinkpad X1?
    Almost anything made by any of the companies with good reliability (which is Toshiba, ASUS, IIRC Lenovo, Apple) looking at the needs.
    After all, what are the needs:
    Internet: almost any laptop will do
    Videos: Almost any laptop will do
    General work: almost any laptop will do
    FM: looking at specs listed on steam, almost any laptop will do

    I would say almost anything on PC specialist that's 1080p would do with default settings bar RAM, switching out for 8 and throwing a SSD in there
 
 
 
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