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Imperial Vs Warwick
Hello guys. I got two offers from Tanaka business School and Wbs for an MSc in Management. I can't take a decision. I’m really confused. Can anyone give me a justified opinion (take into consideration factors like: the course program, the job prospects, reputation…
on what to choose? Thank you in advance.
on what to choose? Thank you in advance.Reply 1
both are good b schools
for tbs, its quantitative finance is quite strong, but other programmes are just okay
wbs is better from a management course
for tbs, its quantitative finance is quite strong, but other programmes are just okay
wbs is better from a management course
Reply 2
Definitely Warwick Business School. The management course at Tanaka is pretty new and seems kinda 'introductory' compared to the Warwick course. Talked to couple of people who did it last year, they still looking for jobs. Go to Warwick 
Reply 3
Insan3
OP
Thanks guys. As I run through the courses I saw that Warwick has more theoretical ones than the Imperial program. Also this it’s first time now October 06, pretty new!
Since I come from a non-business subject I would really appreciate if you could you tell me what would be the best for me and of course which is going to actually help me later in the market?
Also i would like to ask you as a generall view which one you think has a better b-school?
Thank you all.
http://www.wbs.ac.uk/students/masters/management/course-overview.cfm
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/tanaka/msc-management/studyprogramme
Since I come from a non-business subject I would really appreciate if you could you tell me what would be the best for me and of course which is going to actually help me later in the market?
Also i would like to ask you as a generall view which one you think has a better b-school?
Thank you all.
http://www.wbs.ac.uk/students/masters/management/course-overview.cfm
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/tanaka/msc-management/studyprogramme
Reply 4
Warwick.
Reply 5
Well, I will tell you my opinion, since a good friend of mine took the MSc in Management at Imperial College last year.
First of all, bear in mind that every brand new course (like both you have been accepted to) is going to be a little unorganized. This affects more the Warwick MSc, because the first intake will be this year).
First of all, my friend thinks that the course of Tanaka is quite good, a bit theoretical though (I suppose that the Warwick one will be more theoretical). Tanaka Business School is a very good business school. Probably there are a few better one in terms of Business Schools (like: LSE, Oxford, Cambridge, LBS, Manchester, Warwick) BUT if you consider the reputation of Imperial College, I believe that you don’t have anything to think more… Your degree will be from Imperial College, one of the best Universities in the world!
Many will say that the business employers know about the business schools and can distinguish the very good from the good ones. Well, my friend told me (you can double check it of course) that MANY top employers were seeking graduates only from Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial, because according to them, only these Universities create graduates at the top level.
Another thing you should consider is that you have to choose between London and a city away from London. In London you have far more opportunities to search for jobs, attend interviews etc. Furthermore, London experience is one big pro! On the other hand, the cost of living in London is quite high!
Lastly, the most of the students in the MSc in Management have backgrounds that have nothing to do with business. So you don’t have to worry about that.
Of course the choice is your!
Whatever you choose, I think is going to be very good (don’t forget that both business schools are great).
If you need anything else, don’t hesitate to ask me!
First of all, bear in mind that every brand new course (like both you have been accepted to) is going to be a little unorganized. This affects more the Warwick MSc, because the first intake will be this year).
First of all, my friend thinks that the course of Tanaka is quite good, a bit theoretical though (I suppose that the Warwick one will be more theoretical). Tanaka Business School is a very good business school. Probably there are a few better one in terms of Business Schools (like: LSE, Oxford, Cambridge, LBS, Manchester, Warwick) BUT if you consider the reputation of Imperial College, I believe that you don’t have anything to think more… Your degree will be from Imperial College, one of the best Universities in the world!
Many will say that the business employers know about the business schools and can distinguish the very good from the good ones. Well, my friend told me (you can double check it of course) that MANY top employers were seeking graduates only from Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial, because according to them, only these Universities create graduates at the top level.
Another thing you should consider is that you have to choose between London and a city away from London. In London you have far more opportunities to search for jobs, attend interviews etc. Furthermore, London experience is one big pro! On the other hand, the cost of living in London is quite high!
Lastly, the most of the students in the MSc in Management have backgrounds that have nothing to do with business. So you don’t have to worry about that.
Of course the choice is your!
Whatever you choose, I think is going to be very good (don’t forget that both business schools are great).
If you need anything else, don’t hesitate to ask me!
Reply 6
Location, Location, Location !
Tanaka definitely
Tanaka definitely
Reply 7
kkkkk
Well, I will tell you my opinion, since a good friend of mine took the MSc in Management at Imperial College last year.
First of all, bear in mind that every brand new course (like both you have been accepted to) is going to be a little unorganized. This affects more the Warwick MSc, because the first intake will be this year).
First of all, my friend thinks that the course of Tanaka is quite good, a bit theoretical though (I suppose that the Warwick one will be more theoretical). Tanaka Business School is a very good business school. Probably there are a few better one in terms of Business Schools (like: LSE, Oxford, Cambridge, LBS, Manchester, Warwick) BUT if you consider the reputation of Imperial College, I believe that you don’t have anything to think more… Your degree will be from Imperial College, one of the best Universities in the world!
Many will say that the business employers know about the business schools and can distinguish the very good from the good ones. Well, my friend told me (you can double check it of course) that MANY top employers were seeking graduates only from Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial, because according to them, only these Universities create graduates at the top level.
Another thing you should consider is that you have to choose between London and a city away from London. In London you have far more opportunities to search for jobs, attend interviews etc. Furthermore, London experience is one big pro! On the other hand, the cost of living in London is quite high!
Lastly, the most of the students in the MSc in Management have backgrounds that have nothing to do with business. So you don’t have to worry about that.
Of course the choice is your!
Whatever you choose, I think is going to be very good (don’t forget that both business schools are great).
If you need anything else, don’t hesitate to ask me!
First of all, bear in mind that every brand new course (like both you have been accepted to) is going to be a little unorganized. This affects more the Warwick MSc, because the first intake will be this year).
First of all, my friend thinks that the course of Tanaka is quite good, a bit theoretical though (I suppose that the Warwick one will be more theoretical). Tanaka Business School is a very good business school. Probably there are a few better one in terms of Business Schools (like: LSE, Oxford, Cambridge, LBS, Manchester, Warwick) BUT if you consider the reputation of Imperial College, I believe that you don’t have anything to think more… Your degree will be from Imperial College, one of the best Universities in the world!
Many will say that the business employers know about the business schools and can distinguish the very good from the good ones. Well, my friend told me (you can double check it of course) that MANY top employers were seeking graduates only from Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial, because according to them, only these Universities create graduates at the top level.
Another thing you should consider is that you have to choose between London and a city away from London. In London you have far more opportunities to search for jobs, attend interviews etc. Furthermore, London experience is one big pro! On the other hand, the cost of living in London is quite high!
Lastly, the most of the students in the MSc in Management have backgrounds that have nothing to do with business. So you don’t have to worry about that.
Of course the choice is your!
Whatever you choose, I think is going to be very good (don’t forget that both business schools are great).
If you need anything else, don’t hesitate to ask me!
What job offers did your friend get?
+1 for Tanaka. I had an offer from Tanaka (Management) and Warwick (Economics and Finance) this year. I would have picked Tanaka if I hadn't an offer from LSE because of 1) the career service, 2) the college reputation and 3) the location (in that order) which are better at Imperial.
Reply 8
Isn't Imperial a techie college and the masters courses are offered as complement to techies since they lack this part in the rest of their course.
Meaning that the Tanaka masters are directed to people who have no prior experience in business and are a bit more introductory but at the same time offering parts that are very quantative (since the techies can handle it).
So Tanaka masters would be Ideal for an engineer from Imperial who want's to work in say IB. The masters would give them the business part of their education and they would be highly sought after by employers to work with structured products / derivatives (which are very quantitive in nature).
Just what I had to add to the above.
Meaning that the Tanaka masters are directed to people who have no prior experience in business and are a bit more introductory but at the same time offering parts that are very quantative (since the techies can handle it).
So Tanaka masters would be Ideal for an engineer from Imperial who want's to work in say IB. The masters would give them the business part of their education and they would be highly sought after by employers to work with structured products / derivatives (which are very quantitive in nature).
Just what I had to add to the above.
Reply 9
Some people here seem to underestimate WBS. i am not from Warwick or anything but it has a great business school. ofcourse we all know how big of a name imperial college is. i would choose WBS for Management and Imperial for finance. but there are other things to consider: London versus wherever Warwick is located, tuition fees, living costs, etc...
i think they are both very good programmes, and therefore it is difficult to choose between them.
i think they are both very good programmes, and therefore it is difficult to choose between them.
Reply 10
Insan3
OP
Hello kkkkk,
I would like to thank you very much for your post, it was really helpful. I would be grateful if you could tell me if your friend found a job easily after the MSc, in which sector ? What was his first degree really? Also since Imperial is indeed a very good university how comes and the Times in the Good University Guide give the following ranking (is it WYE?!):
1 Oxford
2 Warwick
3 London School of Economics
4 Bath
5 St Andrews
6 Nottingham
7 Manchester
8 Lancaster
9 Kings College London
10 City
11 Imperial College
12 Aston
13 Leeds
http://www.thegooduniversityguide.co...ted_table=busi
This ranking actually confuses me the most, since Financial Times and the Guardian are giving Imperial the third place.
It’s better to get a degree from a top ranked uni, like one in the “golden Triangle” rather than a top ranked b-school?
Lastly could you please give me an annual estimation of the leaving expenses in London?
Thank you all for your posts, feel free to answer to any of the questions.
I would like to thank you very much for your post, it was really helpful. I would be grateful if you could tell me if your friend found a job easily after the MSc, in which sector ? What was his first degree really? Also since Imperial is indeed a very good university how comes and the Times in the Good University Guide give the following ranking (is it WYE?!):
1 Oxford
2 Warwick
3 London School of Economics
4 Bath
5 St Andrews
6 Nottingham
7 Manchester
8 Lancaster
9 Kings College London
10 City
11 Imperial College
12 Aston
13 Leeds
http://www.thegooduniversityguide.co...ted_table=busi
This ranking actually confuses me the most, since Financial Times and the Guardian are giving Imperial the third place.
It’s better to get a degree from a top ranked uni, like one in the “golden Triangle” rather than a top ranked b-school?
Lastly could you please give me an annual estimation of the leaving expenses in London?
Thank you all for your posts, feel free to answer to any of the questions.
Reply 11
Insan,
I just realized you are from Greece; so am I! Well, I have done another MSc in the UK (not business), but from what I have realized so far (of course, I dont have that a great experience, I am just telling my opinion!) I think that for the UK and Greece Imperial counts very much.
What do I mean by that: the Imperial brand will open you the first door, just up to the interview. From that point, you are on your own. If you are crap, you get busted. If you worth a lot, you can do many things. If you are moderate, I believe they will choose you instead of another Uni graduate, who is moderate as well. (If you want a good job, you'd better not be moderate!)
Octavius chose LSE. If you had to choose between Tanaka and LSE, it would have been very difficult. Maybe, LSE would be a better choice! But just take a look at LSE's MSc in Management programme! It is VERY VERY theoretical, and it is designed for people that have done a few business modules in their undergraduate degree!)
And lastly, something that many people mistaken: They believe, that because Imperial is best known for engineering, then Tanaka is too quantitave! That is totally WRONG! Just ask someone that has taken an MBA or an MSc in Management from there. Of course, MSc in Finance is very quantitative, but the other degrees are similar to other business schools.
Of course it depends on what your first degree was and what you like! If your first degree is in Law, then you will like LSE. If you are an Engineer, the Tanaka, Warwick etc is a better choice.
I hope I was helful!
I just realized you are from Greece; so am I! Well, I have done another MSc in the UK (not business), but from what I have realized so far (of course, I dont have that a great experience, I am just telling my opinion!) I think that for the UK and Greece Imperial counts very much.
What do I mean by that: the Imperial brand will open you the first door, just up to the interview. From that point, you are on your own. If you are crap, you get busted. If you worth a lot, you can do many things. If you are moderate, I believe they will choose you instead of another Uni graduate, who is moderate as well. (If you want a good job, you'd better not be moderate!)
Octavius chose LSE. If you had to choose between Tanaka and LSE, it would have been very difficult. Maybe, LSE would be a better choice! But just take a look at LSE's MSc in Management programme! It is VERY VERY theoretical, and it is designed for people that have done a few business modules in their undergraduate degree!)
And lastly, something that many people mistaken: They believe, that because Imperial is best known for engineering, then Tanaka is too quantitave! That is totally WRONG! Just ask someone that has taken an MBA or an MSc in Management from there. Of course, MSc in Finance is very quantitative, but the other degrees are similar to other business schools.
Of course it depends on what your first degree was and what you like! If your first degree is in Law, then you will like LSE. If you are an Engineer, the Tanaka, Warwick etc is a better choice.
I hope I was helful!
Reply 12
This is a bit offtopic but I had a look at the list above and City University was ranked as number 4 (better than LSE) for graduate prospects.
http://www.thegooduniversityguide.com/league_static.php?order_by=gra&auth=1&startNum=1&endNum=12
Does anyone know why?
"Graduate Prospects
What is it? A measure of the employability of a university‘s graduates.
Where does it come from? HESA data for 2002-03.
How does it work? The number of graduates who take up employment or further study divided by the total number of graduates with a known destination expressed as a percentage. Only employment in an area that normally recruits graduates was included. The results were then adjusted to take account of the subject mix at the university. What should you look out for? A relatively low score on this measure does not mean that many graduates were unemployed. It may be that some had low-level jobs, such as shop assistants, which do not normally recruit graduates. Some universities recruit a high proportion of local students. If they are located in an area where graduate jobs are hard to come by, this can depress the outcome. A measure of the employability of graduates has been included in the HEFCE performance indicators but this is only available at institution level. The HESA data was used so that a subject-mix adjustment could be made."
http://www.thegooduniversityguide.com/league_static.php?order_by=gra&auth=1&startNum=1&endNum=12
Does anyone know why?
"Graduate Prospects
What is it? A measure of the employability of a university‘s graduates.
Where does it come from? HESA data for 2002-03.
How does it work? The number of graduates who take up employment or further study divided by the total number of graduates with a known destination expressed as a percentage. Only employment in an area that normally recruits graduates was included. The results were then adjusted to take account of the subject mix at the university. What should you look out for? A relatively low score on this measure does not mean that many graduates were unemployed. It may be that some had low-level jobs, such as shop assistants, which do not normally recruit graduates. Some universities recruit a high proportion of local students. If they are located in an area where graduate jobs are hard to come by, this can depress the outcome. A measure of the employability of graduates has been included in the HEFCE performance indicators but this is only available at institution level. The HESA data was used so that a subject-mix adjustment could be made."
Reply 13
kkkkk: you still didn t tell us what job your friend from msc management at Tanaka got...
Reply 14
Octavius, what job do you expect to get after an MSc in Management?a CEO position or a general manager? When you have no work experience, what you just expect is to get hire to a big company (from a starting position) in order to have good prospects. The most of the people who havent found a job, as far as I know, were looking to get hired in management consultancy positions in a big company! well, the latter, with no or a little work experience is very difficult!
The point is not what job my friend found. From everything I have written, this is the thing you want to ask?
You will realize what i am talking about, after a few monts... I dont want to disappoint you, but dont just count on a degree... The brand, as I said, just opens you the first door, then you are on our own...
The point is not what job my friend found. From everything I have written, this is the thing you want to ask?
You will realize what i am talking about, after a few monts... I dont want to disappoint you, but dont just count on a degree... The brand, as I said, just opens you the first door, then you are on our own...
Reply 15
Dude, don't get pissed because I ask a simple question. I can tell you what jobs + companies people from last year at LSE MSc Management got in. Who was talking about being a CEO?? I was just asking how your friend at Imperial did as I have no insight on what s happening there. Imperial is tier1 and it could be interesting to know how graduates end up over there. Big deal. And everyone knows the degree is just a pass to the first round. Just relax dude, don't get so excited.
Reply 16
I m not pisses, sorry if it seemed like that...
I am just interesting to listen to other views, because in fact i m thinking to do either an MSc in Management or an MBA next year (thus, a second MSc!!!)...
Probably an MSc in Management, because I dont have the nesessary work experience (more than 3 years) in order to get the most out of an MBA.
I am just interesting to listen to other views, because in fact i m thinking to do either an MSc in Management or an MBA next year (thus, a second MSc!!!)...
Probably an MSc in Management, because I dont have the nesessary work experience (more than 3 years) in order to get the most out of an MBA.
Reply 17
Insan3
OP
You are also launching an MSc in management. What advantages do you feel this will offer students?
Imperial is a magnet that attracts high-class undergraduates from all over the world. But we’ve been in the frustrating position of watching world class undergrads assemble in Imperial to do technical subjects and then scatter, and we’ve had to chase around to try and find them again five or ten years later to lure them into doing an MBA. While we’re very happy to continue to do that, for some of them the solution is to go from their undergrad degree in engineering and medicine and stay at Imperial, without a break, and go straight into management. And we’ve been talking to some companies who are saying we like to hire people as young as possible, but if they had a year of management education on top of these technical skills that would be even more attractive to us.
Even Imperial itself considers this program as a tool for the science grads so they can continue their postgrad education at Imperial. What can i say?
The whole article : http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=view_article&eiu_article_id=627750862
Imperial is a magnet that attracts high-class undergraduates from all over the world. But we’ve been in the frustrating position of watching world class undergrads assemble in Imperial to do technical subjects and then scatter, and we’ve had to chase around to try and find them again five or ten years later to lure them into doing an MBA. While we’re very happy to continue to do that, for some of them the solution is to go from their undergrad degree in engineering and medicine and stay at Imperial, without a break, and go straight into management. And we’ve been talking to some companies who are saying we like to hire people as young as possible, but if they had a year of management education on top of these technical skills that would be even more attractive to us.
Even Imperial itself considers this program as a tool for the science grads so they can continue their postgrad education at Imperial. What can i say?
The whole article : http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=view_article&eiu_article_id=627750862
Reply 18
Tanaka (..now recently renamed as Imperial Business school) is, in my opinion, is just riding on the Imperial brand name and in reality ain't better than any other BSchool. Only advantage you might have at Tanaka is its location in london. but given that there are much better options for education, i mean management studies, Imperial college business school is over hyped and over priced. Its anyway too costly to live in a city like london as a student.
Imperial is undoubtedly a great university and very well reputed internationally, BUT for technical studies not business studies.
Although it depends what one individual is looking from studies, but again i would say that why not go for a better educational experience, than just the name and city, for the money you want to put in.
Imperial is undoubtedly a great university and very well reputed internationally, BUT for technical studies not business studies.
Although it depends what one individual is looking from studies, but again i would say that why not go for a better educational experience, than just the name and city, for the money you want to put in.
Reply 19
I agree with level_player
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