Political inclination at Imperial (yes im bored- please dont take the **** out of me)

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I've found the Independent's good, but the Economist is better.

i LOVE the economist- so interesting and broad ranged!

Imperial College London

London

Reply 121

zertrudetrout

You just have a deep hatred of the working classes don't you. DO NOT consider the daily mail or the times to be any better than the sun. they just Replace the nonsence about jugs with nonsence about diana.

oh you couldnt possibly understand!

I have to live with them (if you've read this before i do apologise but some people skip pages), all they do is let their kids run riot in the street kicking a ball against peoples cars, play their loud jungle music when its thumping right nextdoor, swear at their children non stop, call anyone with money a snob, expect to be given free housing and benefits simply because they're english and asylum seekers get it (even though asylum seekers have been shot at for most of their lives).

They are just a waste of space. Although i do realise a lot of them do jobs we need- i just wish they werent so stereotypically like i have described above.

The worst are their children- the NEETS (not in education, employment or training).

Reply 122

love2learn7

I have to live with them (if you've read this before i do apologise but some people skip pages), all they do is let their kids run riot in the street kicking a ball against peoples cars, play their loud jungle music when its thumping right nextdoor, swear at their children non stop, call anyone with money a snob, expect to be given free housing and benefits simply because they're english and asylum seekers get it (even though asylum seekers have been shot at for most of their lives).

so clearly..just because you've lived amongst some people who are "working class"..you know exactly how all of them are across the whole country. how obvious!!

love2learn7

They are just a waste of space. Although i do realise a lot of them do jobs we need- i just wish they werent so stereotypically like i have described above.

solution? kill them all? well..it's a bit nazi like..but i'm sure it's like removing a bad tooth..you know..like having an abortion.

love2learn7

The worst are their children- the NEETS (not in education, employment or training).

having spent about a month at work analysing boring information like numbers of NEETs, i can tell you it has gone down under labour..it went up under the tories. why? because labour have introduced schemes to help these kids..not just lecturing like the tories did.

love2learn7

No its about bringing a child into this world AND LOOKING AFTER IT forever, so if you cant afford to- dont!

AN ABORTION IS NOT LIKE REMOVING A BAD TOOTH AS YOU SO IGNORANTLY CLAIMED.

love2learn7

Daily Mail, Express, Times and Independent all at weekends.
Just like to point out, labours papers- Sun and Mirror- picture books for those who cant read...... funny that.

i'm not a fan of tabloids (tradtional sense)..or papers taking sides for that matter..but the guardian is a left-leaning paper that is hardly a picture book

love2learn7

so if you agree with low wages why did labour bring in the minimum wage? Surely that contradicts what you're saying???

i don;t agree with them. i was merely pointing out that your right wing rant about immigration should perhaps be a balanced argument accepting some of the pros of immigration not just the standard DONT LIKE IMMIGRANTS..THEY TAKE OUR JOBS..INNIT

love2learn7

Why- you going to just let them keep kicking a ball against someones car? There is absolutely no pressure at all. I didnt even realise at that age how important it is, so please dont bore us with that "they'll feel pressured" rubbish. I was highly expected to pass it and i wasnt even aware of any pressure.

no..i dont favour academic selection at such an early age. we all develop at different rates. at 11, i couldn't really care about how good my school was or my GCSEs etc etc. why should someone's future be based on how they felt at the age of 11?

academic selection means all the grammar schools get all the attention and become brilliant while the others fall by the wayside and nobody tries to improve the grades of the children who werent so bright at the age of 11. this is exactly what happened under the tories through the 80s and 90s.

but then again..why don't we just execute all the children who don't pass the 11+? i mean..it's just like removing a bad tooth, right?

Reply 123

kungfumaster9

@switchday. love2learn7 hasn't gone as far as saying immigrants take "our" jobs. He or she has only said that immigrants shouldn't arrive in the UK if they don't have a job lined up, as they'd only be living off Britain's social security system otherwise.

Reply 124

kungfumaster9

yes thats what im saying- thanks. I dont have problems with immigrants in the sense they are coming here with jobs (doctors, nurses, fruit packers etc). I just dont accept the idea of any of them can come in- without making sure they have secured employment.

Reply 125

love2learn7

1) You are stating that a woman getting raped by a man she doesnt know it is rational to keep that child? I cant believe you've said that (shock). What is she going to tell the child when they want to know their father, do you support lying? What will happen mentally to that child when he finds out he wasnt an accident like some children, he was a police incident!!!

1) an abortion is not like removing a bad tooth as you claimed.

some people have beliefs which mean they wouldn't even abort a pregnancy after rape. this may not be my belief but may be one of other people. i support a woman's right to choose and it should be a free choice..not one dictated by money.

instead of feeling sorry for a rape victim, you're saying she should be forced into doing something she may not want to do (i.e. have an abortion) and live with the trauma of that.

with your whole "dont have a child if you cant afford it" attitude..you're saying that the poor shouldn't have the joy of having children..which would essentially eliminate them as a "species". or was that what you were getting at?

love2learn7

2) How do grammars get all the attention????? When i was at a grammar we didnt have gold leaf covered textbooks (if we had a textbook!). Thats just yet another excuse to make for the abolishment of the 11+. If 11 is too late when is going to be right? Shall we reorganise the whole education system just because there is a tiny possibility that some children will develop later??

2) there was a huge divide in resources between grammar schools and normal state schools. this is not a myth. show me anything to back up your assertions and i'll be stunned.

and no, there is no "tiny possibility" of some children developing at different rates - it's scientific fact.

at the age of 16 (i.e. GCSEs), it's fairer to do academic selection for stuff like A-Level courses based upon the research done into development of the brain.

love2learn7

3) I dont hate everyone from the working class. However im merely pointing out that the vast majority of them are exactly the same! Do the same stupid things and talk the same stupid way! If i met someone i would take them on face value, if they didnt act like a complete muppet and i went round theirs and it was a shambles i would never mock them.

3) just because you claim to live around a few working class people..it doesnt mean you know "the majority" are like that. if the martians came and took one human and assumed all of us to be like that..we'd be pretty screwed.

love2learn7

4) No i dont propose we shoot them, but somehow cleaning their act together, putting them in prison if their kids kept behaving antisocially wouldnt go a miss! It may cause them to think twice about what their children were getting upto!

4) having studied criminal psychology, i can tell you prison does not work. reoffending rates are up towards 80-90% - it's pointless. rehab and education works much better..this has been scientifically proven. so maybe you should clear up your assumptions. when presenting a view, show some evidence to back it up

love2learn7

5) What schemes have labour introducded for NEETS? Even ITN news said the number has gone up under labour.

5) labour have introduced schemes like learndirect, key skills and the new deal to help people (including youths) get work or training. stuff like the EMA was designed to stop people dropping out for financial reasons.

unemployment (incl youth unemployment) has gone down under labour (despite the slight recent increase the overall trend is that it has gone down)

love2learn7

6) How the hell have I said "IMMIGRANTS, THEY TAKE OUR JOBS, INNIT?" I think you're getting me confused with a typical labour supporter. Isnt that why Barking had so many BNP councillors elected this year because the stupid labour following said exactly the same thing?

6) your anti immigrant rants were taking that tone, albeit not the exact words. immigration has pros and cons and i'm willing to accept both.

Reply 126

you seem to have some set idea of when its okay to have children and expect everyone else to adhere to it. you pm me expecting me to be all matey with you when all you seem to do is slag of the culture the vast majority of us live in.

as an aside, when you talk about grammar schools is that as in the old system of grammars and secondary moderns?? s'just we only have normal comps up here.

Reply 127

zertrudetrout

you seem to have some set idea of when its okay to have children and expect everyone else to adhere to it.

If you cant afford to have children then dont have them, its as simple as that. You dont have children "for the joy of it" and expect everyone else to pay for them simply because you messed around at school! Even more ironic is the parents who dont bother looking after their children are the ones who dont have jobs, who cant afford them and you would think they'd have more time to control their children!

Reply 128

zertrudetrout

to do is slag of the culture the vast majority of us live in.

So you think its correct for parents just to leave their children outside throwing things, kicking a football against peoples cars?? How do you think that 4 year old got taken by an 11yr old and bricked in the face?? Because his parents were probably too busy watching coronation street or some other rubbish instead of looking after such a young child!

Do you call that culture- i call it lazy parenting!

It might be what the vast majority of you up north live in, its not down here unless you're in a poor area! Its completely out of order and if you think that way of life is acceptable then I am shocked. Every day you hear of stories of people being driven to swearing at a group of teenagers (who have been stoning their windows), clipping them round the ear because the police do jack-all and they get put in prison- not the parents of the trouble makers!

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zertrudetrout

as an aside, when you talk about grammar schools is that as in the old system of grammars and secondary moderns?? s'just we only have normal comps up here.

Sorry just to clarify, here we've got both Grammars (State), Private schools and comps.

I'm saying people seem to think grammars get tonnes of money and they dont (im assuming all teachers are paid relatively the same???). We didnt have brand new textbooks- if we actually had a testbook, the only difference between a grammar was that better teachers wanted to teach there and the students there had passed the 11+. I dont think we had much better facilities than the other comps.

my political compass attached

Reply 130

hahaha, a left winger who hates the working classes, yknow that makes you a lot like stalin...

everyone should have the right to have children, you cant deny a person that right just because they dont have the money to make the child completely financially secure. start doing that and the population would decrease rapidly, so we'd need more of the foreigners that you so loathe.

Reply 131

kungfumaster9

Japan has had a declining population for quite some years now, but I don't see their streets overrun with foreigners, as you suggest.

Reply 132

Mangaroo

love2learn7

If a girl is so religious/ethically moral that she wouldn't have an abortion, why on earth would she keep a baby from a man that raped her?????

Plus if she was offered the chance not to have the baby (abortion), she refuses, then churns up "oh, i cant afford to have it" then shes a joke.

Mangaroo

thats one of the stupidest things ive ever read.

love2learn7

So if you were female and you got raped- you would keep the baby? Thats got to be one of the most stupidest things ive ever known! I mean raped by a stranger, not by a bf. Then theres the fact the girl cant even afford to keep the baby- second reason for getting rid of it!

Whether or not they would keep the baby is irrelevant. Its the opinion you express that you expect someone should be obliged to have an abortion, regardless of their moral or religious beliefs.

Reply 133

Adarah

green or monster raving loonies - but be prepared to only be able to vote liberal at best in the Knightsbridge local elections :frown:

. I wanted to vote green, but they didn't have a green candidate in Knightsbridge, damn them.

Reply 134

kungfumaster9

Japan has had a declining population for quite some years now, but I don't see their streets overrun with foreigners, as you suggest.

sorry, i think you misunderstood my post. i was saying that if our population declined that rapidly there would be the need for mass immigration to fill jobs, as there has been in the past. I DO NOT THINK THIS IS A BAD THING. i was mocking the racism shown in the op's earlier post.

Reply 135

you think i'm a labour supporter? hahahaha

Reply 136

love2learn7

350,000 polish people have arrived, 500,000 expected from bulgaria and romania. Labour cant even control our schools and hospitals without this extra burden- what are they going to do with it???

go on, continue to slag immigrants in the standard daily mail scapegoat way without mentioning how much good they've done us.

oh, and having an abortion is not like removing a bad tooth.

you expect rape victims to have abortions even when they really wouldn't want to because if you can't afford to have a child, don't

and if you can't afford healthcare, don't get sick.

pretty simple really.

p.s. having an abortion is not like removing a bad tooth.

Reply 137

p.p.s. labour can't control our schools and hospitals?

right, that's why with all the extra spending, pass rates have gone up and waiting lists have gone down! how stupid of me!

Reply 138

username42059

Of course waiting lists have gone down, but considering the money they spent into the NHS far better results should have been produced.

Labour wasted a lot of money increasing consultants salaries so they could work more hours but it turns out a lot of consultants were working far more than their minimum hours anyway. So you werent get anything more for the money you spent.

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