Political inclination at Imperial (yes im bored- please dont take the **** out of me)

an abortion is not like removing a bad tooth.

nuff said.

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switchday

an abortion is not like removing a bad tooth.

nuff said.

are you just going to keep going on about that, or are you actually going to reply to any of these threads seriously? Although i must admit, if i were you i wouldnt be able to get out of that hole- "exam passes have increased".

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zertrudetrout

hah. exam passes have increased therefore exams are getting easier. good scientific thought process that.

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zertrudetrout

hah. exam passes have increased therefore exams are getting easier. good scientific thought process that.

lol 10/10 for effort

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love2learn7

are you just going to keep going on about that, or are you actually going to reply to any of these threads seriously? Although i must admit, if i were you i wouldnt be able to get out of that hole- "exam passes have increased".

i keep saying that because you lost the debate at that rediculous statement.

and what hole? exam pass rates have increased - this is an established fact..do i really need to argue it?

if anything, you're dodging the points i made earlier e.g. you never addressed the fact that your point of "don't have children if you can't afford them" is like saying "don't get sick if you can't afford healthcare - stop mooching off the NHS" or how you so horribly generalised the whole working class are rude just because you know a few people around your area....or...how it is scientific fact that children develop at different rates...or how prison doesn't actually work...

if you ask me you're in a hole

an abortion is not like removing a bad tooth.

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switchday

i keep saying that because you lost the debate at that rediculous statement.

and what hole? exam pass rates have increased - this is an established fact..do i really need to argue it?

if anything, you're dodging the points i made earlier e.g. you never addressed the fact that your point of "don't have children if you can't afford them" is like saying "don't get sick if you can't afford healthcare - stop mooching off the NHS" or how you so horribly generalised the whole working class are rude just because you know a few people around your area....or...how it is scientific fact that children develop at different rates...or how prison doesn't actually work...

if you ask me you're in a hole

an abortion is not like removing a bad tooth.

you're still acting like a little child. Once you've grown up- reply back.

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switchday

i keep saying that because you lost the debate at that rediculous statement.

and what hole? exam pass rates have increased - this is an established fact..do i really need to argue it?

if anything, you're dodging the points i made earlier e.g. you never addressed the fact that your point of "don't have children if you can't afford them" is like saying "don't get sick if you can't afford healthcare - stop mooching off the NHS" or how you so horribly generalised the whole working class are rude just because you know a few people around your area....or...how it is scientific fact that children develop at different rates...or how prison doesn't actually work...

if you ask me you're in a hole

an abortion is not like removing a bad tooth.

Not really, you're telling me its right for people to have as many kids as they want simply because its their right to have children AND the taxpayer should pay for them if the parents cannot>>>>>>> wrong.

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zertrudetrout

how do you plan to stop people having kids that they "can't afford"?? forced abortion? or are you just going to leave kids to die in the streets?

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Kris

You say it isn't right, but it also isn't wrong. If you think it is, move to a communist country.

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love2learn7

It IS wrong for people to have children who cannot afford them, doing so because they know that taxpayers will be the footing the bill. Thats is completely wrong- why should i pay just because they cant afford to?? They mess around at school whilst we all work hard, and then when we think we'll have the decent life because of our earnings- they are taken away and yet again given to the ones not working hard.

So it is more acceptable to kill a human being? No.

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zertrudetrout

love2learn7

It IS wrong for people to have children who cannot afford them

no its not. having children is not some privilege that comes with being middle class. do you plan to find a way of temporarily sterilizing people until theyre earning x thousand pounds a year, cos an awful lot of people would never reach that figure. having children is a right which some bitter little snob such as yourself cannot just take away.

love2learn7

why should i pay just because they cant afford to??

Because otherwise the children would die, why should you (that is if you have a job) pay for healthcare - because otherwise people who couldnt afford it would die. i really didnt think anyone still held this strong belief in self-preservation anymore. i unfortunately live in a strong tory seat and ive never met anyone as self-centred as you.

love2learn7

They mess around at school whilst we all work hard, and then when we think we'll have the decent life because of our earnings- they are taken away and yet again given to the ones not working hard.

****ing offensively ridiculous generalisation. i can name at least 4 people from my year in school who have kids, they worked hard all the way through school. just because they werent (especially) academically gifted doesnt make them somehow "below" you. And you try telling someone raising a child on their own that theyre not "working hard". could you do that?

and being a condescending saying "100% for effort" - it is a farcical thought process that says if exam results are going up exams are getting easier. there is more than one variable, matey. did you forget to teach yourself that?

and that guy on the other thread was right, you are a nonce

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tuppatopbrer

Agreed, bar the last statement.

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love2learn7

It IS wrong for people to have children who cannot afford them.

just like it's wrong for people to get sick when they can't afford healthcare..bastards :mad:

im not being childish..i addressed so many of your ill conceived thoughts there and i'll say the same again:

switchday

you never addressed the fact that your point of "don't have children if you can't afford them" is like saying "don't get sick if you can't afford healthcare - stop mooching off the NHS" or how you so horribly generalised the whole working class are rude just because you know a few people around your area....or...how it is scientific fact that children develop at different rates...or how prison doesn't actually work...

and you still haven't defended why you think an abortion is like removing a bad tooth.

@zertrudetrout - very well put. thank you...you seemed to have raised a lot which i tried to earlier in this thread but was dodged by love2learn7.

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Xordan

Obviously you're completely ignoring hormone changes (which create attachment between mother and baby) which occur when pregnancy starts, but don't occur when you have a bad tooth. Using your logic, I guess we should just kill all pensioners because they're sucking up our money. They're like bad teeth aren't they?

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love2learn7

Bad tooth- not wanted, unborn baby- not wanted by father/rapist. Bad tooth- causes problems, unborn baby created by rapist-causes problems later on. Bad tooth-cannot afford to be ignored, unborn baby- cannot afford to be kept.

but you've basically reduced a human life to a bad tooth. even if you reduced a human life to a bad tooth, it's still a crap analogy.

a baby is a life..something that can and does often bring good to those around it and the world. bad teeth are just bad..they need to be taken out.

love2learn7

Right, well seeing as you do not mind paying for all these children born to people that take benefits for granted, surely you wouldnt mind personally donating much more of your future earnings to pay for them. I certainly dont want to, ive just spoken to many friends on my msn and they certainly agree they wouldnt want to pay lazy gits to have kids- you can pay for them.

lol..many friends on msn. oo..i have friends who think like me..therefore i must be right!

firstly, you dont even have any idea how many people like this exist. if a minority abuse a system, i don't believe shutting it down and letting the majority suffer.

and even still, shutting it down would result in children dying..you're essentially saying you're fine with this. i would never want to live in a country where we let children die because their parents couldn't afford them, or where we let sick people die because they couldn't afford healthcare.

on one hand you state you dont want having children to become strictly an upper-middle class privilege but on the other hand you're saying don't have kids if you can't afford them. if our system was totally private i.e. you'd have to pay for your kid's healthcare, university/schooling, clothes, food, shelter etc etc. most people who are parents couldnt afford their children.

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switchday

but you've basically reduced a human life to a bad tooth. even if you reduced a human life to a bad tooth, it's still a crap analogy.

a baby is a life..something that can and does often bring good to those around it and the world. bad teeth are just bad..they need to be taken out.

lol..many friends on msn. oo..i have friends who think like me..therefore i must be right!

firstly, you dont even have any idea how many people like this exist. if a minority abuse a system, i don't believe shutting it down and letting the majority suffer.

and even still, shutting it down would result in children dying..you're essentially saying you're fine with this. i would never want to live in a country where we let children die because their parents couldn't afford them, or where we let sick people die because they couldn't afford healthcare.

on one hand you state you dont want having children to become strictly an upper-middle class privilege but on the other hand you're saying don't have kids if you can't afford them. if our system was totally private i.e. you'd have to pay for your kid's healthcare, university/schooling, clothes, food, shelter etc etc. most people who are parents couldnt afford their children.

Well elderly people are dying because we give money to the people you support in this argument. People are beaten up and murdered by the offspring of the people you represent in this argument. To be perfectly frank i would rather they die, than a decent citizen who opens his door when somebodys car is getting stolen and gets kicked to death!

No i asked my friends whether or not i was being out of order.

Well any result of children dying would be the problem of the parents, ones that thought it'd be great to have children and forgot that you need to pay for them instead of scrounging off of the Government! Money makes the world go around, you dont have things you cannot afford whether its children or objects! Its not elitist, its a simple fact. Perhaps if they learn this fact at a young enough age they will aspire to get a job first and not a family (at the age of 17).

There were figures quoted 3 weeks ago illustrating how countries such as spain and portugal do not give hardly any benefits for such cases, and yet they have the lowest number of teenage parents! When money is thrown at you, you're hardly going to stop having children!

USA have changed their benefits system, if you dont work- you dont get benefits and house, simple as. Funilly enough the number of teenage mothers has fallen dramatically.

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