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i think it would be easier to measure this kind of thing on facebook, where 90% of imperial students have joined, and also state their political inclination on their profile.
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Extremely naiive view I think. Where is the evidence of the cross section of labour supporters. And I think its bordering idiotic to think that there is a huge number of parents whose kids wreak havoc on the streets, this group is in a minority. Granted a family/couples should look at the costs of having a child, but it shouldnt be the deciding factor in having a child. Most children are born out of love, not as a gift to themselves which they can afford. I find it ludicrous that you think that every working class family has kids who wreak havoc on the streets. That opinion you express, suggests that you have an extremely narrow mind. Try and branch out, dont make sweeping statments about a social class that you obviously arent a part of.

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Reply 162
very well said tuppatopbrer.

i'm gonna throw in my own point by point come back as well actually:

love2learn7
God i cant be bothered wasting my time.


well, it's kinda me wasting my time cos you never bother replying to the valid points i raise.

love2learn7

You're just being pathetic switchday.


me being pathetic? hmm, i dont see anyone agreeing with your posts but a few people here have said "well said", "have to agree" and "excellent post" (by the way, thanks for that guys)

love2learn7

You know well and truly what i mean!


of course i do - i know many people like you with ill conceived thoughts taking pages straight out of the daily mail.

love2learn7

The vast majority of labour supporters live on benefits and have children that are on the streets causing crime and labour pay for them.


let's do the math here:

9,562,122 people voted labour at the last general election

so even for half of labour voters to "live on benefits and have children on the streets causing crime", this would mean 4,781,061 people fit into that category.

well, sorry to break it to you but only 969,000 are on the jobseekers allowance

so even if we assume that ALL of them voted labour (which clearly didn't happen), it's still not even 50%, let alone a majority or even further..in your words..."a vast majority"...and that's just people on benefits...the people who in addition to this "have children on the streets causing crime" *(see bottom of post) would be even less.

and even with those figures, i used people who actually VOTED labour. your words were "vast majority of labour supporters". it's safe to assume that there are more labour supporters than voters because of people not voting or not being eligbile to vote etc. so with the higher number of labour supporters, your assumption is thrown even further out of whack. man, you must have smoked some special **** when you came up with that.

this is a prime example of how you have a bunch of bull**** assumptions and don't even bother to look at the facts.

my political thoughts and convictions are based on facts that i see to be true and what i think is the best way to solve these issues. it's not based upon horse manure i saw in the daily mail.

love2learn7

No effort is made to force them into work like the US system and labour will never change this as its their "own".


once again you assume cause and effect. just because the US have a lower teen pregnancy rate, does this mean that it's their system that causes this? no..of course not..there are more than 2 factors at play...we've got huge social, economic and cultural differences. a correlation doesn't show causality.

love2learn7

Those people dont care what it costs to look after a child in time and money, its simply the product of screwing to them- and the middle class have to pay for it!


i suggest you go away and look at how much the middle class get back from the state. it's quite a lot in terms of healthcare, children's education, bin collection..the works. so they're hardly being screwed are they?

the middle class also have to pay for people getting free heart by-pass operations on the NHS. quite dispicable if you ask me (sarcasm).


* just slightly off topic but you're ranting a lot about crime. if you look at the most valid measure of crime, the british crime survey, crime has been falling for many years now after the sharp rises we saw under the tories. yes, all kinds of crime have been falling. yes, even violent crime.
i'll say it again, nice post
Reply 164
i thank thee
Reply 165
so this would be a bad time to plug the monster raving looney party then?
Reply 166
love2learn7


Just look at the newspapers that represent labour, apart from the Guardian the only other papers that support labour are the comic boobs of Sun, Mirror and Daily Star! The papers that contain pictures because their audience find reading too much of a problem/hastle!



LOL.
That argument made me laugh, mainly because it lacked any cohesion to form one. You should broaden the view of your country and stop categorising everyone, or masking that you are, by using the words like 'vast majority'.

Oh, and your view on children who do not know who their father is or do not speak with him is quite narrow minded. And how exactly can someone be physically confused? As you said that they would be mentally confused, not aware of any other confusion.
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Edit: Sorry, double post.
Reply 168
firstly, bravo.

i can't believe you had the guts to come back after i just completely destroyed your "vast majority of labour supporters live on benefits and have children that are on the streets causing crime,". i actually laughed when i looked at the figures and saw how completely wrong you were. didn't you feel even a touch embarrased?

*sighs* fine, i guess i'll just have to pwn you again.

love2learn7

Its complete bull*hit to say that a minority of the youths on the streets throwing bricks at people are from poor backgrounds!


who's saying that's bull****? it's probably true (even though you've provided no statistical background to it). the way to solve this problem is by lifting people out of poverty with a strong economy, tax credits, the new deal, better education etc. with all this, you may have noticed that crime has fallen (see british crime survey)

so what exactly are you moaning about? or are you just assuming crime is sky high due to the horse manure you read somewhere?

love2learn7
Why do you think manchester is a hotbed for gun warefare?


well, wouldn't say it's fair to say it's a hotbed when violent crime has been falling in greater manchester.

http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/tool/default.asp?region=3&force=2&cdrp=0&l1=6&l2=0&l3=0&sub=0&v=27

love2learn7

Its complete rubbish to sarcastically say we're all benefit grabbers because we receive a state education and NHS WHICH MY TAXES GO TOWARDS and someone sitting at home having 7 kids and being paid more benefits by labour.


okay first off, let's get one thing straight. stop lumping this on labour. all governments give benefits, and as a matter of fact, there were more people on benefits back in the bad old days of tory unemployment and recesession.

what is complete rubbish is for you to say that only people who pay tax have a right to get something out of the pot. this basically means that the homeless, starving kids in africa, victims of the tsunami etc would not get money from the UK government. or do you support this?

you still claim that it's perfectly acceptable to let these children die...innocent children who have done nothing wrong...just let them die. well, as a UK taxpayer, not in my name.

love2learn7

Exams ARE easier,


i'd really love it if you provided one iota of evidence for this, or even for any of the other faeces that spews out in your posts.


love2learn7

labour have done nothing to toughen them as it would reveal the full disarray in the education system. You keep going on how pass rates are so great, yet literacy rates have fallen.


lol..i like this. "disarray"..as if it's some catastrophe. well, it was under the tories but they didn't like giving money to any sort of welfare state.

okay, let's prove you wrong on literacy rates too (and while i'm at it..numeracy):

Literacy and numeracy at age 11:

english: 2005 - 75% vs 1997 - 63%
maths: 2005 - 75% vs 1997 - 62%


Literacy and numeracy at age 14:

english: 2005 - 74% vs 1997 - 57%
maths: 2005 - 74% vs 1997 - 60%

seriously dude, don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

love2learn7

i was actually talking generally about those families on benefits are more likely to have children who end up in crime


well by some fluke, you've come across a fact. this is something that is true..poverty is something that ends up causing crime..but it's not the only factor. and as i said earlier, getting people out of poverty with stuff like benefits, tax credits, the new deal, a solid economy etc is what helps lower crime and i believe this is why we've seen crime falling since our economic resurge, mostly due to this labour government.

love2learn7

2 variables- funny how the correlation was strong for every one of the 10 countries studied, with the exception of Germany i believe. Thats a very strong correlation considering every country that pays low benefits had low numbers of teenage mothers AND every country that paid high benefits had high numbers of teenage mothers.


ah, but there's still no causality. if you ever bothered looking up research methods, you'll see that correlations aren't any good for showing cause and effect.

there's a correlation between number of hours of playing violent video games and number of violent acts committed BUT does the violent video game cause violent behaviour OR do violent people just happen to spend a lot of time on violent video games???

in a similar way, do high benefit payments result in more teenage mothers, or do high teenage mothers result in the government paying out more benefits in an attempt to help these children??

there's a correlation between a fall in the numbers of pirates and a rise in global temperatures (http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.jpg). don't really think one causes the other to be honest.

love2learn7

Take a look at the GE electroral map for 2005, all the areas labour win are situated in inner city dumps or conservative-hating north west dumps where unemployment is sky high.


wouldn't really call them dumps after all the work on ending urban decay which skyrocketed during the bad old tory days but yes, this is true.

why do you think labour was founded as a working class party and still has strong trade union affiliation?

also, labour families produce labour children in the same way tory families produce tory children (it's called the theory of primacy if you've ever studied politics). this is part of the reason why geographical tends exist

and again, wouldn't really say unemployment is sky high, as it's actually been falling (despite a recent blip), if you look at the stats (god, you never ever do, do you??). sky high unemployment would be..oh..i dunno..say, 3 million under mrs (???!!!) thatcher.


love2learn7

I suppose inheritance tax is great because you can get money from the nasty rich who dont need that money, eh?


never really talked about inheritance tax here but i don't think it's fair right now as it's hitting middle-classes, not just the rich.

love2learn7

Labour couldnt even tell the committee in charge of immigration how many asylum seekers they had let into this country- PATHETIC. They then wonder how its possible that we get terrorist cells being formed in the UK. Are they completely stupid??


okay genius, i don't know if you've figured this out, but the people who committed the 7/7 bombings weren't asylum seekers or immigrants but were in fact british born people.

are you completely stupid????

love2learn7

Just look at the newspapers that represent labour, apart from the Guardian the only other papers that support labour are the comic boobs of Sun, Mirror and Daily Star! The papers that contain pictures because their audience find reading too much of a problem/hastle!


okay stupid, the sun and the daily star supported the tories back in the day. care to make the same argument again?


love2learn7

Equality is impossible and unfair. People are not equal, some are hard working and others are lazy. Labour are attempting to appeal to the lazy and sell the idea that they can put them "on par" with the more wealthy- this is wrong. It is achieved by over-taxing those who have worked hard in life and is not deserved by those whom the money is received by (in most cases).


well, it's not about taking everyone's salary and giving everyone the same food tokens to live on.

it's more about fair and progressive taxation, whilst giving everyone a basic, good, standard of living where children have free education, people have free healthcare and you've got enough money to feed your family. sounds fair enough to me...the stuff i mentioned is stuff that i believe everyone should have the right to..not just priviliges for the wealthy.

again, if a system is abused by a minority, it seems as if you favour shutting it down even if the majority of honest people end up suffering.

love2learn7
If a mother has 4 children, you dont give her more money if she has 5, because she will go and have 5 otherwise!!!!!!!!!


still no valid evidence that proves this.

well, seeing as i completely destroyed you again (especially on the literacy one!), do you dare return? let's find out!
Reply 169
blimey now that was a post.
Reply 170
thank you :smile:
i think?
Reply 171
lol you think right, relax :p:
Reply 172
*relaxing*
Reply 173
cof<nail>fin.

Sorry, bad attempt at joke, good post though.
love2learn7
Its complete bull*hit to say that a minority of the youths on the streets throwing bricks at people are from poor backgrounds! I do not say every single youth causing havoc is from the working class, or every single working class youth causing havoc.


you said the majority of working class kids are throwing bricks at people. with the working classes making up the vast majority of the country thats one hell of a lot of bricks. we know that a higher percentage of this kind of crime is commited by working class people than middle or upper class people, but making generalisations like that is the same as me saying all rich people are a bunch of tax-evading offshore account holding *****.

love2learn7
Its complete rubbish to sarcastically say we're all benefit grabbers because we receive a state education and NHS WHICH MY TAXES GO TOWARDS and someone sitting at home having 7 kids and being paid more benefits by labour..


Seriously, did you earn enough money last year to be in a high tax bracket? Cos i certainly didnt, not enough to be taxed at all actually. You were using the taxes of the group of people you aspire to be. Why should a rich person pay for you to go to uni when youre justing going to go off and work in the private sector? :ROLLEYES:

love2learn7
Exams ARE easier


more excellent scientific method, the college picked a good one here. just like gillian mckeith saying "YOU CAN PHOTOSYNTHESIZE! I SAY YOU CAN AND I'M A (fake) DOCTOR, IT MUST BE TRUE"

love2learn7

I was not talking about the children of rapists being murderers (i was actually talking generally about those families on benefits are more likely to have children who end up in crime), although theres a high possiblity that the child would be mentally confused finding out about his father!..

This section's pretty incoherent, but he seems to be saying that the children of single mothers suffer mental disability or something. Of course people on benefits are more likely to turn to crime. They were born into a completely different set of circumstances to you, they dont have the same opportunities that you do.

love2learn7

Take a look at the GE electroral map for 2005, all the areas labour win are situated in inner city dumps or conservative-hating north west dumps where unemployment is sky high.


"Conservative hating north west dumps" You really are a **** y'know. As you can tell(if, and this is highly questionable given the earlier manchester quip) you have any knowledge of the british isles north of watford, i am from the north west. Macclesfield's one of the safest tory seats in the country, thanks to rich footballers and actors in the surrounding villages and an inexplicably popular racist MP by the name of Sir Nicholas Winterton. The north west is a beautiful region which has recently undergone extensive regeneration and, fortunately or unfortunately, gentrification of the inner city areas. Unemployment is not sky high at all. To quote the late Brian Redhead on the Today programme "and now the weather, bright in the north, dull in the south. Much like the people actually"

love2learn7

Just look at the newspapers that represent labour, apart from the Guardian the only other papers that support labour are the comic boobs of Sun, Mirror and Daily Star! The papers that contain pictures because their audience find reading too much of a problem/hastle! .


The Sun and Mirror only started supporting labour when they drifted almost as far right as the tories. The only papers that support the tories are the Times, Telegraph and Daily Mail. Have you ever actually read any of these, especially the latter two. Its full of the most vomit-inducing jingoism youve ever seen. I dont think ive ever read an article which doesnt include the phrase "political correctness gone mad" and they worship princess diana like a demigod. the guardian and the indie are the only two popular papers in the country which dont make you embarrased to be british.

love2learn7

Equality is impossible and unfair. People are not equal, some are hard working and others are lazy. Labour are attempting to appeal to the lazy and sell the idea that they can put them "on par" with the more wealthy- this is wrong. It is achieved by over-taxing those who have worked hard in life and is not deserved by those whom the money is received by (in most cases)..


Yes, rich people are hard working, poor people are lazy. Keep telling yourself this. Speaking from personal experience, this summer i worked as a labourer for 6 hours a day. The work consisted of shovelling sand aggregate into bags and carrying the bags 20m upwards on a ladder. then back down to do this again. I was payed £4.80 an hour. I must be lazy. Of course the middle classes worked hard in life, they werent given an education (up to university level in the case of all but the young) on a plate, and the certainty of a job for life. They worked so much harder than the people down the mines.

love2learn7
If a mother has 4 children, you dont give her more money if she has 5, because she will go and have 5 otherwise!!!!!!!!!


Yeah, those working class girls, all they want is to have more and more babies to get money of those oh-so-tortured people on 50k a year...
zertrudetrout
To quote the late Brian Redhead on the Today programme "and now the weather, bright in the north, dull in the south. Much like the people actually"


Thanks a lot :smile:

edit* Great post though.
tuppatopbrer
Thanks a lot :smile:


sorry, the quote seemed appropriate at the time. redhead was a friend of my uncle's and something of a hero.
Reply 177
lol zertrudetrout, you smashed it! i was in hysterics reading that!

brilliant post..excellent points! tag team :smile:!
Reply 178
I honestly don't see the point in this debate - it has just degenerated to petty bickering rather than actually discussing the issues at hand in a mature fashion - what purpose does it serve exactly; it's less of a debate and more of a slanging excersice.
Reply 179
i think we've been mature in completely proving wrong "literacy rates are falling" and "most labour supporters are on benefits with criminal kids"..and most of the other crap that's been thrown out here.