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LLM with no LLB
Does anyone know about LLM courses that don't require an LLB? Nottingham and Oxford Brookes say they will accept people with a first degree in social science. Are the courses not a reputable? Also, would you qualify for a training contract if you get an LLM without an LLB?
I don't know much but I doubt you would be able to go onto a training contract after an LLM if you hadn't taken an LLB, because the LLB covers the essential modules for practice (Contract, Criminal, Tort, Constitutional, Administrative etc) as stipulated by the Law Society and the Bar Council. If you take a non-law degree and you decide you want to be a solicitor then it really would just be easier to do a conversion course first, then do an LLM maybe.
Edinburgh does one too.
I don't really want to be a solicitor, but would like to do an LLM International Law as I hope to work for the World Bank or UN in the future. I guess I was just asking in case I am broke, if I could go to a City firm with an LLM.
I don't really want to be a solicitor, but would like to do an LLM International Law as I hope to work for the World Bank or UN in the future. I guess I was just asking in case I am broke, if I could go to a City firm with an LLM.
i dont know specifically about LLMs, but my boyfriend just phoned a few unis to ask if he could do an MSc without having done a BSc... they made him talk to admissions tutors, and nearly all accepted him after hearig about his working background.
So i suggest phoning unis youre interested in and asking as they may just make an exception. With a BA, you've got more chance at it than my boyfriend had, and he was accepted by Hull, Warwick, Manchester and Northumbria for an MSc in computer science without any degree, purely on the basis of his background.
You can but try.
So i suggest phoning unis youre interested in and asking as they may just make an exception. With a BA, you've got more chance at it than my boyfriend had, and he was accepted by Hull, Warwick, Manchester and Northumbria for an MSc in computer science without any degree, purely on the basis of his background.
You can but try.
shady lane
Edinburgh does one too.
I don't really want to be a solicitor, but would like to do an LLM International Law as I hope to work for the World Bank or UN in the future. I guess I was just asking in case I am broke, if I could go to a City firm with an LLM.
I don't really want to be a solicitor, but would like to do an LLM International Law as I hope to work for the World Bank or UN in the future. I guess I was just asking in case I am broke, if I could go to a City firm with an LLM.
Do you mean a city firm of Solicitors?
If you do, it would be impossible to get a training contract with any firm nevermind a city one. This is due to the LLM not satisfying the academic requirements to be a lawyer. This can only be obtained by doing an LLB/CPE/GDL or ILEX.
1. A reputable LLM should not be possible to undertake successfully without an LLB. The only exception might be someone with a very good and relevant non-law degree (e.g. philosophy, politics, or economics) who ALSO has the common professional examination (or CPE). Such a person might conceivably get themselves to an acceptable LLM standard.
2. If you want to work for the UN, WTO or something like that you need to know what you want to work for them as. If you want to work for them as a lawyer, see under 3 below. If as a policy/research person, see my post at http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=277084
3. If you want to work as a lawyer you need to be professionally qualified. This means EITHER a qualifying law degree (QLD) and a vocational training OR the CPE and a vocational training. Most non-law graduates take the CPE, although a few take a QLD. No LLMs are QLDs. All QLDs are undergraduate-level degrees (LLB or BA). So taking an LLM will not help you to become professionally qualified at all.
2. If you want to work for the UN, WTO or something like that you need to know what you want to work for them as. If you want to work for them as a lawyer, see under 3 below. If as a policy/research person, see my post at http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=277084
3. If you want to work as a lawyer you need to be professionally qualified. This means EITHER a qualifying law degree (QLD) and a vocational training OR the CPE and a vocational training. Most non-law graduates take the CPE, although a few take a QLD. No LLMs are QLDs. All QLDs are undergraduate-level degrees (LLB or BA). So taking an LLM will not help you to become professionally qualified at all.
This is the one I was looking at.
http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/pg/intlawllm.aspx
Students will ideally have a first degree in law or international relations. Previous knowledge of international law is not a prerequisite, but those unfamiliar with the subject are advised to take Fundamental Issues in International Law as one of their options.
I don't want to work for them as a lawyer, but knowledge of international law is a useful skill in multilateral organizations. I already have a BA in International Relations and am starting an MSc in Global Politics.
http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/pg/intlawllm.aspx
Students will ideally have a first degree in law or international relations. Previous knowledge of international law is not a prerequisite, but those unfamiliar with the subject are advised to take Fundamental Issues in International Law as one of their options.
I don't want to work for them as a lawyer, but knowledge of international law is a useful skill in multilateral organizations. I already have a BA in International Relations and am starting an MSc in Global Politics.
I am sceptical.
But be that as it may, here's the simple answer to your initial question: You can't use this degree as a step towards practising as a solicitor or barrister. In that progression it counts for zilch.
But be that as it may, here's the simple answer to your initial question: You can't use this degree as a step towards practising as a solicitor or barrister. In that progression it counts for zilch.
Actually my intitial question was if the courses are reputable.
From my understanding Edinburgh is a good university. So why are you skeptical? Especially since I've said I don't really want to practice?
From my understanding Edinburgh is a good university. So why are you skeptical? Especially since I've said I don't really want to practice?
Of course Edinburgh is reputable. It's the most reputable of the several reputable law schools in Scotland. No doubt the programme is also reputable.
What I am sceptical about is the idea of studying one highly specialist area of law without any general legal education. If I were sent a CV containing that pattern of study, it would ring alarm bells, never mind which university conferred the degree.
What I am sceptical about is the idea of studying one highly specialist area of law without any general legal education. If I were sent a CV containing that pattern of study, it would ring alarm bells, never mind which university conferred the degree.
International Relations >> International Law doesn't seem like a huge stretch to me.
Well anyway, I wouldn't be seriously considering it for a few years. I was just wondering.
Well anyway, I wouldn't be seriously considering it for a few years. I was just wondering.
It certainly seems strange that you can study a Master's without the relevant Bacheolor's degree yes ... I read this on actually quite a few law schools and many of them cite International Relations as a possible transferring degree. I think what John means is that he would be sceptical of the difficulty of the course if someone who does not already have a strong standing in law at an undergrad level... specifically if they were doing an LLM in international law they would have done international law electives as an undergrad (as this would be their interest)... international relations is completely different to international law, both public and private.
Do the Mjur at Hull, a two year fast track law degree and masters. It is really cool
Marcods
Perhaps another option, if you're interested in International Law, would be to take a course in international law from the LLM programme at LSE as an outside option. I don't know if there is provision in your MSc for that. Maybe just something to look into...
Yeah I want to take International Economic Law but it's too many units outside my MSc so I could only sit in on lectures.
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