Why are most Pakistani and Bangladeshi women so lazy?

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Indians are the second highest achieving ethnic group in the UK, behind Chinese.

Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the lowest achievers in the UK, just ahead of gypsys.

The stats are readily available.

I wish I followed the trend was high achieving, unfortunately I'm not.

And the Black-Caribbean are also quite low achieving too.

Reply 81

tehforum

Original post by vortex_199

Not really. Just basic logic.

Hardly.

Even a part time job would mitigate the effects of not staying at home with child carers to look after kids, for example.

Reply 82

Qari

Original post by tehforum

See Sanctimonious' post above yours.

It highlights a culture of laziness endemic in Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities then.

That's a rather flawed and round about way of suggesting that the woman is somehow helping the economy.

Some tend to go for the get rich quick option.

Reply 83

Sanctimonious

Original post by Qari

So you have nothing against those who don't work or claim benefits?

Nope. If you don't work and you don't claim benefits thats fine. You're not putting in but you're not taking out. Why should I be bothered? My problem is with those who contribute nothing to the economy yet are happy to take out which is a massive burden upon our welfare budget - its already inflated enough as it is.

Original post by vortex_199

So you have decided that her husband is misogynistic based on what? Your own ingrained prejudice, I would guess. And if her staying at home means that her husband can contribute more to the economy by working unsociable hours, then surely she is contributing. There is a world outside that tiny box, you know.

No prejudice at all. The point raised by others was that because of 'cultural' ways, the wives often stay at home....and no, if she is not working she is not contributing. It is simple as that. The HMRC works on a single person basis which is why you have a National Insurance number and so forth. It does not work on the principle of unity. He is contributing more. She is contributing nothing.

Reply 84

Ggmu!

Original post by vortex_199

Not really. Just basic logic.

She's contributing by not contributing.

Sound logic.

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Reply 85

tehforum

Original post by Qari

Some tend to go for the get rich quick option.

What is that option?

Original post by DawahGuy

I wish I followed the trend was high achieving, unfortunately I'm not.

And the Black-Caribbean are also quite low achieving too.

Indeed. I opted for high and low achieving ethnic groups to highlight my point though.

Reply 86

Sanctimonious

Original post by Ggmu!

She's contributing by not contributing.

Sound logic.

She gets dirty in the bedroom every night for her man and this boosts his mood due to the release of endorphins which makes him more productive at work the next day. That's how she is contributing to the economy.

Reply 87

tazarooni89

Original post by tehforum

See Sanctimonious' post above yours.

This one?

If you are of adult age and you do not work and you do not provide for yourself and your children, and you do not possess a disability stopping you from working be it physical or mental, then you are a lazy bastard and a drain on our economy. You should get nothing.

You're not a drain on the economy unless you're claiming benefits or something like that, when you would otherwise be working. Most of these women are a drain on their husbands, not on us. If their husbands have enough money for that and are okay with it or prefer it that way then good for them.

The notion you need to stay at home to have an ideal household is nothing more than an excuse. There are millions of people around the UK working and also taking care of their household duties - this is both genders.

Some people's 'household duties' are greater than others. For some people, childcare costs are more than the amount that they would earn themselves if they went to work. Some people have more children than others, to the extent that going to work may not be viable. But they're contributing to the economy by raising that many future employees.

(edited 9 years ago)

Reply 88

tehforum

Original post by tazarooni89

This one?

You're not a drain on the economy unless you're claiming benefits or something like that, when you would otherwise be working. Most of these women are a drain on their husbands, not on us. If their husbands are okay with that or prefer it that way then good for them.

Yes, that one.

Here's how I think the situation is

> 80% Pakistani and Bangladeshi women do not work
> they stay at home and have more children than average
> claim benefits
> stay at home
> children go through the state system of education, housing, and healthcare
> this all costs money
> the woman does not contribute to the economy, which is a drain on our economy
> the cycle continues as the culture of laziness and poor achievement at school continues.

Reply 89

DawahGuy

Original post by Tpos

I never said it's impossible did I? I never said Pakistani and Bengali women need special consideration. I said it's not easy. Whether you're at home mum, a housewife, a career woman, a career woman *and* a parent everyone's life has ups and downs, everyone has different pressures to deal with. It's stupid of you to accuse a whole group of people as being lazy. Of course some will be, as there will be lazy workers, but that doesn't mean a whole group should be described in such a way.

Why do they need special consideration? I don't understand.

Reply 90

Truths

Original post by tehforum

What you're afraid of undue generalisations. I have, however, provided facts.

You have provided statistics that prove most Bangladeshi women are in unpaid work. What you have not done is "provide in facts" how "Bangladeshi women are lazy".

Original post by Sanctimonious

Ever heard of contraception and personal responsibility? Oh wait, yeah don't believe in it. Another cop out.

Personal responsibility to what? You have yet to even explain why you even brought up benefits in the 1st place? There were no benefits statistics for Bangladeshi women in the OP? An unemployed women in a stable nuclear family seldom needs to claim benefits anyway. You can have 10 children if you choose, it doesn't mean that you receive dole. That was an assumption on your part. Admit it or sit down. But just for arguments sake, if big do receive benefits, "personal responsibility" what? No child deserves to live in squalor because of decisions they had no part or responsibility in. Have a seat.

Reply 91

Qari

Original post by Sanctimonious

Fair enough

Original post by tehforum

What is that option?

Indeed. I opted for high and low achieving ethnic groups to highlight my point though.

Drugs, Money Laundering you get the drift

Reply 92

tazarooni89

Original post by tehforum

This simply misses the point that their husbands are happy to do all the contributing on their behalf. His taxes pay for the state system of education and healthcare, and for the woman's maintenance meaning that she doesn't even need to claim benefits.

If neither of them were working, then fair point.

(edited 9 years ago)

Reply 93

vortex_199

Original post by Sanctimonious

It's pretty prejudice, as you are generalising a whole race/ethnicity of people. But that's what people like you do... and then deny it some....

So you would rather he contributed less and she contributed some, whether or not this would mean that overall they contributed more to the economy? Seems more like idealism (based on whatever you believe) than realism. But that is quite easy once you resort to generalisation, harsh speculation and sweeping statements about any particular group of people.

Reply 94

Qari

Original post by tehforum

Not all of the ones who don't work claim benefits

Reply 95

vickidc18

I'm a stay at home mum who works part time in the evenings 2-3 shifts a week to a 1 year old , being a sahm can be hard it's like any other job good days bad days, but with the invention of washing machines & dish washers it's a lot easier than it was I imagine in 1950 I don't pay for childcare this way baby goes to bed as I go to work so it's not like I'm missing anything & I see it as a break a chance to socialise with other adults plus I have my own cash for new clothes etc in a way working is a lot less stress than caring for a toddler full time, I need eyes in the back of my head!!!

Reply 96

tehforum

Original post by tazarooni89

This simply misses the point that their husbands are happy to do all the contributing on their behalf.

And that simply misses the point that they are a disproportionate burden on the state for the reasons outlined above.

It has nothing to do with the personal choice of the husband and wife for decide who works and who doesn't.

Reply 97

Qari

Original post by vickidc18

You're lucky your kid can go asleep without you there

Reply 98

tehforum

Original post by Truths

You have provided statistics that prove most Bangladeshi women are in unpaid work. What you have not done is "provide in facts" how "Bangladeshi women are lazy".

Is that not a reasonable opinion from the data?

If I said 80% of Chinese people are objectively good at Mathematics, you wouldn't rush to conclude that Chinese people are good at Math.

Reply 99

tazarooni89

Original post by tehforum

And that simply misses the point that they are a disproportionate burden on the state for the reasons outlined above.

Only the ones who are neither contributing nor have a husband able and willing to contribute on their behalf, and therefore claim benefits.

If your issue is just with people who do that, then fair enough. But then plenty of white British people do this too, and I don't see you asking why they should be allowed to continue to live in this country.