Hamas holds victory rally in Gaza

avoiding the actual points where i have pointed out that you are incorrect

Israel have agreed to some things such as extending the fishing zone to 6 miles and will be 12 miles later.

I addressed your point. I pointed out that you quoted something I didn't even say.

You claimed I said "anywhere near" and criticised that as being contradictory, but seemingly failed to realise I said "anywhere but", not anywhere near, which completely changes the meaning.

The only contradiction was in your confused mind. But don't worry your pretty little head about that, serious debate seems to be beyond your intellectual capabilities (let alone writing legibly in English, using proper punctuation and spelling etc)

i was more thinking that i would be insane from the humiliation of being ethincally cleansed and forced into a small corner of my homeland.
regardless of what happened before i still would not see any excuse for it and even if i could sympathize with the excuse i would not rly give a sht and still feel like killing alot of people.

i was more thinking that i would be the islamofascist dictator with genocidal fantasies than uses children as human shields.

what did i mean? don't u worry ur little head about it, all that stuff in history is just crazy stuff that doesn't mean anything people just did things because they were totally crazy and paranoid and their beliefs were baseless and founded on nothing that was actually happening

In the neighbourhood of Shujai'iya, scene of the most intensive battle of the war between Israeli troops and Gaza militants, the Musabeh family was picking through the debris of their home.

"There is nothing left, we lost everything," said Naima Musabeh, 49. "Where is the good from this? We are destroyed."Her son Ali, 29, was bitter about the outcome of the conflict. "This war was for nothing. Yesterday they were giving out sweets in the street and shooting [in celebration], but I was crying when they said it was a victory."

Wow. That's a real military triumph.

What about the people in Shujaiyah whose homes were destroyed, who were in tears and cursing Hamas for ruining their lives? What about those people?

You don't care about them do you?

It's more like 55% civilian deaths. Which, for urban warfare, is actually a pretty good hit rate. It looks positively civilised next to the Battle of Berlin. Have you ever heard of World War 2?



Utter nonsense. If Israel didn't value human life, they wouldn't do the "knock on the roof". That point is indisputable.



And I literally cannot believe you're denying it. Even the most ardent pro-Hamas supporters on this forum accept that Hamas fires its rockets from civilian areas knowing what the outcome of this will be.

Hamas spokesmen have even gone on television saying that Palestinians would go onto the roofs of Hamas commanders houses and "bare their chests" at the F-16s, and that this was an effective tactic (i.e. a human shield).

The fact you are denying it indicates you are exceptionally stupid and/or blinkered

Hamas will never give up and allow the Zionists victory.

nope pretty sure most sources say about 70%.

And "knock on the roof" shows the humanity of Israel how exactly?

Pisrael uses Palestinians as shields

How much warning do you think we gave German civilians in cities in the Third Reich in World War 2 before we bombed the hell out of them?

The sources that say 70% are based on the figures of the Gaza Ministry of Health which is controlled by Hamas (i.e. completely unreliable).

This happened in 2009 as well, Hamas claimed they only lost 70 fighters, or some crazy low number (which tilts the civilian death rate up, proportionally), but years later admitted they had lost hundreds of fighters, in fact almost exactly the number the IDF had claimed at the time.



So it would be more humane not to warn them, and just drop the bomb on the house before they've had time to leave?

How much warning do you think we gave German civilians in cities in the Third Reich in World War 2 before we bombed the hell out of them?

This is a perfect example of the insanity that runs so deep in the "pro-Palestine" movement.

Hamas will never "allow" the Zionists victory? The "Zionists" have already won. The question is, how much suffering are the Palestinians willing to take before they cut a peace deal?

How much suffering are they willing to endure to fire off a few ineffectual rockets at Israel? That's a very heavy price to pay for some rather futile self-indulgence.

But perhaps more interesting is that armchair chicken hawks like you, outside Palestine, are usually more fond of Hamas than the Palestinians are themselves.

Of course, you are willing to fight to the last drop of their blood. And why wouldn't you? You're sitting here comfortably in the West, and you'll keep cheering on the "resistance" because no matter what happens, you personally will never suffer

Nope, just a realist, whereas you seem to be unacquainted with basic facts of this conflict. Even Hamas supporters accept that it uses human shields, though their argument is that this is necessary because of the disparity

Channel 4 factchecker blog confirms that Hamas uses human shields

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/...-shields/18534

The Zionist are winning atm, there is no doubt about that. They have accomplished many of their goals but their mission will not be complete until the Palestinians leave the land for the Zionists.

lol wow, that is their goals is it?

Amnesty International say otherwise: https://www.amnesty.org/fr/library/asset/MDE15/021/2009/fr/9543003e-8282-4a1c-b4c9-bfc4743dc131/mde150212009eng.html

Here is evidence of Israel using Palestinian children as human shields:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-soldiers-punishment-using-boy-human-shield-inadequate

If Israel know that Hamas use human shields doesn't it make it considerably worse that they knowingly continue to bomb sites containing human shields?