8 more Tory MP's in talks to defect to UKIP and Labour MP's Watch

Ace123
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lks-After.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...yelection.html

Farage reveals he has had detailed talks with 8 Tory Mp's about defecting to UKIP so is it time for David Cameron to panic? is it a sign the Tory Party will be splitting into 2 parts and he also says in the 2nd article he has spoken to Labour MP's about defecting. Do you think any Labour MP's would defect e.g. there are a small group of about 20 eurosceptic Labour MP's who have criticised Labour's EU stance and have always voted for an EU referendum?
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I doubt if there will be more than one or two more Tory MPs defecting and no Labour MPs. Especially as the precedent of resigning and fighting a by-election has been set.
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Purge these traitors while there is still time to put up a loyal Tory candidate. Ukip must not be enabled.
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Good, the Conservative Party is crumbling - they've disappointed the silly Right, and their inept economic, educational and environmental policies have moved them too far from the centre. Putting a global warming denier in as an environment secretary? What were they thinking?

Hopefully more Tory MPs defect, then Cameron, Gideon and co will learn their lesson for being associated with far right-wingers but for maintaining their association with Thatcher, the worst Prime Minister in history.
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It's very difficult to be taken credibly as a politician if you switch parties. This isn't like the football transfer market: when you make a switch it is rarely for a politician's benefit in the long term, even if he/she makes it for short-term tactical reasons.

The only time really I think moving parties has credibility is when a new party is created out of an offshoot of a previous one, eg SDP and Labour in the 1980s.

If you're a Conservative, and stand up for Conservative values, then you have to accept that in a broad democratic party like that, over time the leadership will swing from centre to right. Sometimes it will be a centrist broadly positive to Europe party, eg under Major, Cameron and sometimes it will take a position to the right of that, eg under Thatcher, Hague, Iain Duncan Smith and Howard. You could say the same for Labour as well.

Politicians with credibility will stick with a party because they are loyal to the broad principles even if they aren't aligned with the leadership: Blair for instance had to emerge through the Labour party of the 1980s which was a million miles to the left of where he was, and when he took over the guys like Tony Benn, Jeremy Corbyn who were more associated with the party of the 1980s were then a million miles from the Blair leadership, but they stuck with it. On the Tory side there have been guys like Ken Clarke, Michael Hestletine that have often been sidelined by the direction the party was going (when it swung to the right) but these guys didn't ditch the party.

UKIP obviously will be trying to persuade some disaffected Tories to join but this will not be to anyone's benefit other than Labour. I very much doubt that there are any voters out there that are undecided about voting UKIP that will be won over by seeing an ex Conservative jump ship, all that will happen if Tories with existing majorities jump across is they will create three-way marginals in those seats as a portion of their vote jumps to UKIP, a portion of their vote stays loyal to the Conservative Party and Labour or the Lib Dems suddenly come back in the game because of the erosion of Tory vote.

But hey Ed Miliband is unlikely to win the next election on the strength of his charismatic personality so anything like this will be gratefully accepted as a way of increasing his chances of being in Number 10.
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