Fascist Le Pen in UK this Weekend.

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It is a black-tie dinner, and the tickets are sold out. You will not be able to hear what he says or call him fascist.

I know this is my first post, but I would like to ask people using the word 'fascist' to justify their use of this word as a description of the BNP or Front National.
Seeing as his views are of a right-wing, authoritarian nature; I think the description is more than justified.
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I'd have absolutely no problem with being "impolite" to someone with views like his. He doesn't deserve anyone's respect.
I think he does. Are you the leader of a fairly major political party? Do you think you understand more about politics than LePen? Do 20-30% of the British public show up at the polls and vote for your inspirational politics?

Unless you can answer yes then you might do better to sit up, pin back your ears, and listen in the hope of understanding an alternative political viewpoint (held by millions of French supporters and not half a dozen whackos as you'd like to believe)
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I think he does. Are you the leader of a fairly major political party? Do you think you understand more about politics than LePen? Do 20-30% of the British public show up at the polls and vote for your inspirational politics?

Unless you can answer yes then you might do better to sit up, pin back your ears, and listen in the hope of understanding an alternative political viewpoint (held by millions of French supporters and not half a dozen whackos as you'd like to believe)
He's here, don't care. Some people will support him, some against and some no view.

Re the supporters, most of them are sucked in by the "scapegoat" theories offered!
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I think he does. Are you the leader of a fairly major political party? Do you think you understand more about politics than LePen? Do 20-30% of the British public show up at the polls and vote for your inspirational politics?

Unless you can answer yes then you might do better to sit up, pin back your ears, and listen in the hope of understanding an alternative political viewpoint (held by millions of French supporters and not half a dozen whackos as you'd like to believe)
I fear that many Germans held the same view in the early 1930's.
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I fear that many Germans held the same view in the early 1930's.

As they say...its easier to persecute than to compromise/understand or accept.
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Regardless of the implications, in a democratic system if 'many people' hold a view it must be respected surely?
Point out where I denied this, and I'll duly oblige.
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I fear that many Germans held the same view in the early 1930's.
I think LePen wants to repatriate Morrocans and Algerians more than he does gas them before turning his attention to French expansionism throughout world Europe.

What LePen is saying is "woa..........hold on a minute....too many immigrants, threatening our French way of life" And lots of French folks are nodding their heads in agreement.

These sorts of belief aren't exactly uncommon anywhere in Europe. Students aside it's probably what 70% of Brits are thinking and talking about over their pint's of warm beer. I think to compare these sorts of views with Hitler's Germany is a bit alarmist though.
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As they say...its easier to persecute than to compromise/understand or accept.
Who's "they"?
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I think LePen wants to repatriate Morrocans and Algerians more than he does gas them before turning his attention to French expansionism throughout world Europe.

What LePen is saying is "woa..........hold on a minute....too many immigrants, threatening our French way of life" And lots of French folks are nodding their heads in agreement.

These sorts of belief aren't exactly uncommon anywhere in Europe. Students aside it's probably what 70% of Brits are thinking and talking about over their pint's of warm beer. I think to compare these sorts of views with Hitler's Germany is a bit alarmist though.

It's a shame people don't do their research, then
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Who's "they"?

Suggest you read some papers by "Raymond Geuss" they are well backed up. Your local university Library should be flourishing with them.
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What's that supposed to mean? So, LePen isn't a very nice man? He may have been a torturer in Algeria?

Well, as nobody is talking about awarding him a nobel peace prize I think that's irrelevent.

He wants to reclaim France for the French and a hell of a lot of French folks want him to succeed. All the alegations in the world about unproven crimes of 40 years ago aren't going to erode that support.
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Suggest you read some papers by "Raymond Geuss" they are well backed up. Your local university Library should be flourishing with them.
Never heard of him.
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Never heard of him.
And the point of sharing that was???
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And the point of sharing that was???
Well you recommended I read him. Who is he?
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Well you recommended I read him. Who is he?
Oh, I think I know who he is.
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Oh, I think I know who he is.
Well I'm still staggering around, blinded by my own ignorance.
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Well you recommended I read him. Who is he?

He is a lecturer and researcher at Univ of Oxford/cambridge (can't remember which one of the 2) and his specialist area is politics, people behaviour, morals, causes of war re ppl behaviour etc.... It is a good read!

But this thread is at the risk of changing topic, and I would hate to offend one of the campaigners. Just go ask at the library!
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He is a lecturer and researcher at Univ of Oxford/cambridge (can't remember which one of the 2) and his specialist area is politics, people behaviour, morals, causes of war re ppl behaviour etc.... It is a good read!

But this thread is at the risk of changing topic, and I would hate to offend one of the campaigners. Just go ask at the library!
Yes, lets get back on topic. As I'm not nor have ever been a philosophy student at Cambridge under Dr.Geuss' excellent tutillage I doubt I'd understand a bloody word he has to say on anything anyway.
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So, if everyone followed Mr Pen's example then every country should reclaim their natural habitants (historically). How far back would we go before we decide who belongs where?
What happens to people who are mixed race? Who decides who belongs where?
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Howard you are making me laugh. Do you not know why there are Algerians in France? Do you not know that it was the French that encouraged them to come post-1945, that they promised them work and a good environment to bring children up in? Are you not aware that after the post war boom, when there was widespread unemployment, the Algerian population were then shunned and the state went to employing nationals instead of these immigrants (many of which re-built france)? And i am sure you MUST have heard of the atrocities that took place in Algeria by French Nationals..the torture...it was disgusting. The Algerian situation in France is a problem that was caused not that just arose out of the blue.
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