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    Well - he didn't get a very friendly reception in Manchester, did he?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    why is he an unpleasant example of the far right? Marine Le Pen certainly has some very popular views.

    incitement to violence by fascists? are you making this up?
    What do you mean by "popular views"? This is the thing, social issues like that of employment are "popular" in that they are considered "important" by a lot of people. I think fortunately the majority of french people are ashamed by his existence....
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    (Original post by kingslaw)
    It may not be a desirable form of protest, but people feel very strongly against some of the disgusting things going through the mind of the man in that car. In my opinion, throwing a rubbish bin at a car carrying Le Pen is much less of a crime than regarding the extermination of millions of innocent Jews as 'a mere detail of history'.
    er, technically no.

    Personally, I have been shocked at some of the laissez approachest to encroaching far-right politics in Britain displayed on this board. I don't know how people can condemn groups like the UAF when they are simply trying to fight the views of a man who wishes to destroy peoples lives by sending them 'home' and confiscating all the things they have worked their lives for. When it comes to the far-right, there is no sitting on the fence. If you dont fight it, you are supporting them whether you like it or not. Nazi Germany taught us that.
    hehe, talk about sensational.... where will this Le Pen = Nazi comparison end..

    Also, to brand everyone at the UAF protest as thugs because you saw one piece of footage on the news of someone throwing a bin at a car is extremely petty. I firmly suggest you grow up before posting your clearly prejudiced sh*te on this thread again. I was at the protest in Manchester today, and I can tell you it was very peaceful - although there was a strange mix between sheer anger and a carnival atmostphere. To say all the UAF are thugs is like saying that every white person thinks like Le Pen because he was white!!
    oh dear. back to Junior Socialist Worker for you...

    Finally, to compare UAF to the BNP is just nonsense. I dont even believe I should have to justify why I think this as to any rational individual it should be very clear!
    shoot..we're all ears.
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    Not gaining too much from your last use of Kingslaw post Vienna
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    (Original post by aliel)
    That is the most STUPID thing you have said...and you have said some rather silly stuff- think most would agree :rolleyes:

    Algerians are PEOPLE. One can't just use them and discard them when one wants to like a pair of old trainers!!
    no, but you can say to them, assimilate or leave. that is the message most French(and Europeans) support.
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    (Original post by aliel)
    Not gaining too much from your last use of Kingslaw post Vienna
    oh right...:confused:
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    no, but you can say to them, assimilate or leave. that is the message most French(and Europeans) support.
    How can they go about that when it is quite clear that many of them are actively discriminated against? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by aliel)
    How can they go about that when it is quite clear that many of them are actively discriminated against? :rolleyes:
    oh, i was unaware the indigenous French citizens had more rights...
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    oh right...:confused:
    I am sitting here with my morning dose of pure orange, the sun is shining-it is such a beautiful day here....and in the debate and discussion section of UKL I am greeted by several of your posts...sure way to **** my morning...A lil' question, do you share your views with people face-to-face? I always wonder whether anominity harnesses such ridiculous words...
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    oh, i was unaware the indigenous French citizens had more rights...

    LOL They have more rights that french born algerians? That would explain some of the ills in the French situation....with all its faults very few people in the UK would argue that merit should overule birth origin anyday
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    (Original post by aliel)
    LOL They have more rights that french born algerians?
    er, no. thats what you were implying. living in France, i cant say ive seen evidence of your claim.

    That would explain some of the ills in the French situation....
    such as..?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    er, no. thats what you were implying. living in France, i cant say ive seen evidence of your claim.



    such as..?
    Misread what you said concerning rights- excuse that i am doing several things at once. But then if you weren't saying that you would except that they also have rights in this equation?
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    Referring to your post about "indigneous rights"...obviously technically there is no difference between their rights. But you know of i am sure, countless articles/documentaries that have exposed this web of discrimination towards algerians in the french work place.
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    (Original post by aliel)
    Misread what you said concerning rights- excuse that i am doing several things at once. But then if you weren't saying that you would except that they also have rights in this equation?
    yes, they have rights.
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    (Original post by aliel)
    Referring to your post about "indigneous rights"...obviously technically there is no difference between their rights. But you know of i am sure, countless articles/documentaries that have exposed this web of discrimination towards algerians in the french work place.
    how is that relevant to Le Pen and his thinking?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    yes, they have rights.
    Won't ask you to clarify the extent of their rights..would be too much of an accomplishment for me

    (Is the sun shining in Paris)?
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    how is that relevant to Le Pen and his thinking?
    It is very relevant because Le Pen attempts to place algerians as the source of a problem, never have I heard him admit to inequity of their treatment within society.
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    (Original post by aliel)
    Won't ask you to clarify the extent of their rights..would be too much of an accomplishment for me

    (Is the sun shining in Paris)?
    if they are french citizens then they naturally have equal rights.

    weather wise its about 20 degrees celsius, sunny with blue skies.

    - http://meteo.voila.fr/data/city/FR/284.html
    - or see it live: http://www.parispourvous.net/index.php?wpe=a15
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    (Original post by aliel)
    It is very relevant because Le Pen attempts to place algerians as the source of a problem, never have I heard him admit to inequity of their treatment within society.
    again, the french public wouldnt disagree with him. all the trouble ive seen so far in Paris has altered my opinion either.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    what exactly in that little lot is so horrific? i think its a shame so many people are want him shut up because he happens to have a viewpoint that they disagree with...and highly hypocritical when the same group of people are all for letting fanatical religious groups and minorities preach death over our nation.
    (Original post by Link)
    In May 1987 he advocated isolating those infected with AIDS (whom he calls "sidaïques1") from society by placing them in a special "sidatorium".

    On June 21, 1995, he attacked singer Patrick Bruel on his policy of no longer singing in the city of Toulon because this city had just elected a mayor from the National Front in the following terms: "the city of Toulon will then have to get along without the vocalises of singer Benguigui". Benguigui, an obviously Jewish name, is Patrick Bruel's real name.

    In April 2000 he was suspended from the European Parliament after physically attacking the Socialist candidate Annette Peulvast-Bergeal during the 1997 general election. This ultimately led to losing his seat in the European parliament in 2003.

    It has also been established that he practiced torture in Algeria. Although war crimes committed during the Algerian War of Independence are amnestied in France, this fact was publicised by the newspapers Le Canard Enchainé and Libération and by Michel Rocard (ex-Prime Minister) on TV (TF 1 1993). Le Pen sued the papers and Michel Rocard. This affair ended in 2000 when the "Cour de cassation" (French supreme jurisdiction) concluded that it was legitimate to publish this fact. However, because of the amnesty, there can be no further penal issues.
    Are you serious?
 
 
 
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