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If someone utters something "Islamophobic" then all the Guardianistas immediately assume they're some right-wing loon. It's really silly and it's disappointing that people see the world in such a black and white way.

I support gay marriage, abortion, a benefits system, public healthcare and education, the decriminalization of drug use, freedom of speech, animal rights, egalitarianism, and secularism.

Just because I don't like Islam doesn't mean that I'm right-wing and conservative. In fact, considering that Islam is a very conservative ideology I hardly see how it's surprising that I think this country would be far better without it.
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You have a right to criticise religious aspects but there's a fine line between that and insulting, the latter would be Islamophobic.
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(Original post by KingBradly)
If someone utters something "Islamophobic" then all the Guardianistas immediately assume they're some right-wing loon. It's really silly and it's disappointing that people see the world in such a black and white way.

I support gay marriage, abortion, a benefits system, public healthcare and education, the decriminalization of drug use, freedom of speech, animal rights, egalitarianism, and secularism.

Just because I don't like Islam doesn't mean that I'm right-wing and conservative. In fact, considering that Islam is a very conservative ideology I hardly see how it's surprising that I think this country would be far better without it.
I agree with everything you just said
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You have a right to criticise religious aspects but there's a fine line between that and insulting, the latter would be Islamophobic.
Nothing wrong with insulting Islam either.
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Islam is an ideology and everyone should be free to criticise it or even ridicule it.

People have no right not be upset.
Tolerance means putting up with it, this is important in a free society.
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Islam is an ideology and everyone should be free to criticise it or even ridicule it.

People have no right not be upset.
Tolerance means putting up with it, this is important in a free society.
I don't think it's a question of rights. People are free to be upset if they don't like my views. People have the right to think I'm right-wing because I dislike Islam. It's just that they're wrong and most likely naive and delusional.
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I don't think it's a question of rights. People are free to be upset if they don't like my views. People have the right to think I'm right-wing because I dislike Islam. It's just that they're wrong and most likely naive and delusional.
Well right and left wing doesn't mean much unless you explain.

I'd say freedom of speech is now a right wing thing due to how many of left (see groups like UAF) have abandoned it and view it as harmful.
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Indeed. The Guardian et al often criticise the more conservative elements of Christianity for their views towards women and gay people, so I don't see why Islam should be immune from such criticism when their views are if anything even more conservative.
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Because Islam is quite racialised in this country, I think the left are often guilty of seeing Muslims as an oppressed ethnic minority, rather than followers of a religion (as Christians are viewed). In the same way, many on the far right are perhaps driven by racist attitudes moreso than religious intolerance. It makes educated criticism quite difficult.

It's also the case that on some lefty fringes it's quite trendy to self-loathe, and hate the society you're part of, and be anti-western. Anyone who seems to be pro-west therefore becomes a horrible right winger, whilst anyone non-western is wonderful, regardless of how horrible they actually are. Perhaps that plays a part; it's why 'rights' campaigners wouldn't dream of protesting about mass abuses in some broken ****hole like Eritrea, but heaven forbid the police put a CCTV van outside a mosque with a history of problems.
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I've always considered myself a leftie and I am anti Islam

It seems we come in all shapes and sizes not just from the 'right'
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Tolerance means putting up with it, this is important in a free society.
No we can tolerate things we dislike but that cause us or others no harm

this is not the case for islam
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No we can tolerate things we dislike but that cause us or others no harm

this is not the case for islam
Most Muslims don't actively try to destroy British society and its values and they aren't much trouble.
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Most Muslims don't actively try to destroy British society and its values and they aren't much trouble.
But it's not just about 'destroying society' it's about the harm it causes society (demands made to be exempted from certain laws for example or the damage done to children by a parents rigid interpretation of their faith)
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Indeed. The Guardian et al often criticise the more conservative elements of Christianity for their views towards women and gay people, so I don't see why Islam should be immune from such criticism when their views are if anything even more conservative.
It's because they conflate Islam with brown people and being accused of racism or cultural imperialism is the worst thing they can imagine. And yet, ironically, they don't see the irony in the inherent racism of their position.
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Most Muslims don't actively try to destroy British society and its values and they aren't much trouble.
Exactly the same thing can be said of the EDL and similar right-wing knuckle-draggers. Their ideologies are still not compatible or welcome.
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You have a right to criticise religious aspects but there's a fine line between that and insulting, the latter would be Islamophobic.
Insulting Islam is not Islamophobic. What a ridiculous notion. I have every right to insult an ideology that I deem to be barbaric. Using the word 'Islamophobia' has allowed Muslims to quell any criticism of their ideology.
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Well right and left wing doesn't mean much unless you explain.

I'd say freedom of speech is now a right wing thing due to how many of left (see groups like UAF) have abandoned it and view it as harmful.
In this country, and in America, left-wing is traditionally the side of liberalism, which supports free speech and a lack of censorship, where-as right-wing is traditionally the side of conservatism, which supports censorship.
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(Original post by Jubz1)
You have a right to criticise religious aspects but there's a fine line between that and insulting, the latter would be Islamophobic.

What is all this stuff about having the 'right' to say things? I believe in freedom of speech, so I don't think anyone needs to have the 'right' to say anything.
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Moved to Society.
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does everything these days have to be a "phobia"? do people even know what that word means? so why would that be on the end of the word "islam(o)"?
am I not allowed to have a particular dislike for a religion without some PC cultural engineer saying I have a mental issue? that's weak, and very pathetic
I was against islam when I was left wing and I'm against it now when I'm right wing. it's nothing to do with left and right.
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