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Guardian readers et al. patently hate working class culture

Guardianistas and Green Party lovies feel it's their duty (as the enlightened prophets they consider themselves to be) to save the helpless working class from the oppression of the ruling elite. They are the intelligent, middle-class socialists who are the only hope for all the poor folks too simple to be able to counter the wrath of Cameron and his cronies. Or at least that's how they see it.

The reality is they hate working class culture. The Guardian has always hated the tabloids and tried to find ways of showing how they are disreputable. They hate Page 3 and seem to think that people who read the Sun are too stupid to be able to distinguish between a human being and an object.

And what is the main demographic that reads the tabloids? The working class of course.

I really cannot think of one thing which both The Guardian and the working class likes, except perhaps drugs.

Most of the things which the Guardian hates the most, are supported by the working class. The EDL is mainly made up by the working class, most people I know who want to vote UKIP are working class, the army is mostly made up of the working class, homophobia is rife among the working class, "lad culture" is definitely a mainly working class thing, most working class people I know hate Islam, and most of them think feminism is a joke.

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There are good bits and bad bits about all class cultures.

What you've done, is list some of the bad aspects of working class culture, that most people quite sensibly dislike, and rather clumsily and transparently attempted to portray it as some kind of class based motivation.

I don't like racism, but I DO like darts. Oh look, your theory just collapsed.
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Original post by cole-slaw
There are good bits and bad bits about all class cultures.

What you've done, is list some of the bad aspects of working class culture, that most people quite sensibly dislike, and rather clumsily and transparently attempted to portray it as some kind of class based motivation.

I don't like racism, but I DO like darts. Oh look, your theory just collapsed.


It's not a 'theory', its an observation. Many of the things which the Guardian hates the are arguably most common among the working class. There's no hypothesis or accusation of The Guardian secretly having an anti-working class agenda, that wouldn't even comply with what I'm saying. What I am saying is that the working class and Guardianistas are usually chalk and cheese, and the Guardians treatment of the working class is condescending and patronizing. The Guardians attitude towards the working class is essentially 'we want to protect you but we think you're idiots who are too stupid to think for yourselves'. If you can't see that then it's pointless even continuing this discussion because you're clearly only interested in defending yourself.
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My Guardian-reading uncle sees the working class as 'quaint'. He loves to sort of ruffle their hair every so often and dips a toe in their environment to make himself feel a man of the people with inimitable left wing arrogance.

Of course he won't live anywhere near them or the immigrants he so loves.
Original post by KingBradly
It's not a 'theory', its an observation. Many of the things which the Guardian hates the are arguably most common among the working class. There's no hypothesis or accusation of The Guardian secretly having an anti-working class agenda, that wouldn't even comply with what I'm saying. What I am saying is that the working class and Guardianistas are usually chalk and cheese, and the Guardians treatment of the working class is condescending and patronizing. The Guardians attitude towards the working class is essentially 'we want to protect you but we think you're idiots who are too stupid to think for yourselves'. If you can't see that then it's pointless even continuing this discussion because you're clearly only interested in defending yourself.


The Guardian is a left of centre middle class newspaper written for left of centre middle class readers.

How would you characterise other newspapers attitudes towards the working class?
Absolutely spot on OP.

I've been saying on this forum for years that 99.9999999999999% of Guardian readers - for all of their put-on BS about how left wing and enlightened they are - have no clue what so ever about the working class.

For example, they see multiculturalism as being able to buy a curry and pay less for a tradesman to do their kitchen. That's because they're not the ones living in the areas affected by it and their livelihoods aren't affected by it through having their field of work over-saturated.

They don't have a clue. Just like most students actually.
Saved this for such a thread ^^ ( a defense of the conservative mindset by a guardian person )

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/10/why-its-harder-to-think-like-a-conservative

Also guardian is left of center. It may look like a communist newspaper to you lot, but it isn't.

Here's a proper far left news source

https://libcom.org/
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Our State religion of political correctness is the creed of the hideously conceited upper-middle classes (Guardian readers!) and their communist fellow travellers who seemingly believe it is actually a pathway to "equality". It is often described as simply "good manners" but what it really represents is a code of behaviour which one must pay lip service to or face being denounced as a "bigot", which as we all know is synonymous with "second-class citizen". It works because normal people focussing on living their lives don't have time to keep up with the rules which change extremely frequently to try and catch parvenus and pretenders out (eg negro became black became coloured became black became person of colour). There is also a big difference between experiencing "diversity" in your local Michelin restaurant, or living in a street where every household has changed from local to foreign.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Saved this for such a thread ^^ ( a defense of the conservative mindset by a guardian person )

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/10/why-its-harder-to-think-like-a-conservative

Also guardian is left of center. It may look like a communist newspaper to you lot, but it isn't.

Here's a proper far left news source

https://libcom.org/


The Guardian presents every story through the prism of cultural Marxism, which decrees that there must be "representation" of every element of "diversity" in perfect correlation with the body public else something is seriously wrong (be it racism, homophobia etc). It is not only comfortable with but frequently publishes calls to use ever more encroaching State power to force this "diversity" on every institution and organisation in existence and hound out those which don't play along. If that isn't the doctrine of a far-left newspaper then I'm a communist.
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Saved this for such a thread ^^ ( a defense of the conservative mindset by a guardian person )

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/10/why-its-harder-to-think-like-a-conservative

Also guardian is left of center. It may look like a communist newspaper to you lot, but it isn't.

Here's a proper far left news source

https://libcom.org/


Sad we have to pick between the Conservatives and 19th century Marxists who justify Soviet oppression. When will there be a sane group of people standing in the interests of the workers against middle class capitalist values?
Original post by thesabbath
The Guardian presents every story through the prism of cultural Marxism, which decrees that there must be "representation" of every element of "diversity" in perfect correlation with the body public else something is seriously wrong (be it racism, homophobia etc). It is not only comfortable with but frequently publishes calls to use more and more State power to force this "diversity" on every institution and organisation in existence and hound out those which don't play along. If that isn't the doctrine of a far-left newspaper then I'm a communist.


It's all a mask though they're die hard Oxbridge educated Conservatives under the mask, when WW1 broke out most socialists supported the war, why? Because they're hippy middle class traitors who are just as self-interested as everyone else.
Original post by DErasmus
It's all a mask though they're die hard Oxbridge educated Conservatives under the mask, when WW1 broke out most socialists supported the war, why? Because they're hippy middle class traitors who are just as self-interested as everyone else.


Well yes, they obviously expect to be the Nomenklatura if they get their communist utopia. For now, making up silly social rules (political correctness) is about as much power as they have.
Original post by DErasmus
Sad we have to pick between the Conservatives and 19th century Marxists who justify Soviet oppression. When will there be a sane group of people standing in the interests of the workers against middle class capitalist values?


Libcom is libertarian socialist. As far as I'm aware nothing on there justifies soviet oppression.
Original post by DErasmus
When will there be a sane group of people standing in the interests of the workers against middle class capitalist values?


that would be UKIP, no ?

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Original post by thesabbath
The Guardian presents every story through the prism of cultural Marxism, which decrees that there must be "representation" of every element of "diversity" in perfect correlation with the body public else something is seriously wrong (be it racism, homophobia etc). It is not only comfortable with but frequently publishes calls to use ever more encroaching State power to force this "diversity" on every institution and organisation in existence and hound out those which don't play along. If that isn't the doctrine of a far-left newspaper then I'm a communist.


Stopped listening.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Libcom is libertarian socialist. As far as I'm aware nothing on there justifies soviet oppression.


Well I found this a while ago http://libcom.org/forums/theory/lenin-acknowledging-intentional-implementation-state-capitalism-ussr-23032011
Why do so many people hate The Guardian on here?! I've always liked it
Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
Why do so many people hate The Guardian on here?! I've always liked it


At least I am not alone. :five:
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Stopped listening.


There is actually a 'cultural Marxism' in a sense, Marxist sociology which teaches resistence to traditional concepts of society based on authority and consensus could definitely be considered a 'cultural Marxism'.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
At least I am not alone.


You're not! We agree on a lot of topics :tongue:

I await the inevitable tirade of the right wing lolbertarians

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