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Question for the fellas on here who deadlift, I'd like to hear your views.

I'm confused as to how often you should be doing these and in what pattern (in terms of sets/reps). I keep reading conflicting advice on the bodybuilding websites.

At the moment I do deads once a week, I do 4 sets in blocks of 6 reps. I don't do my reps as quickly as I would say upright or bent over rows though. My technique tends to be, deep breath in to raise the pressure in my core so I can feel it pushing against my belt, lift, hold for a couple of seconds at the top, then let the weight down, breathe out whilst setting myself again, take another deep breath then lift. About 2-3 seconds between each 'rep'.

Some of the stuff I've read says you should only deadlift every 2/3 weeks because the back is easy to overtrain. And when I look at some of the other fellas in my uni gym (admittedly these look like powerlifters from their build) they seem to be just lifting 1 rep at a time with massive rest time between each lift attempt.

Also, what other exercises do you guys do on deadlift day? I do back and forearms on the same day, so its Deadlifts, weighted pull ups, bent over rows, reverse bicep curls and wrist curls. I always do deads first though because I want my energy levels to be at their highest.

Must say the dead is my favourite exercise, I look forwards throughout the day I'm doing it on to getting in the gym and pulling. Also noticed its helped my posture a lot, I used to slouch a bit before I started deadlifting but the deadlift seems to have straightened out my posture.

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Reply 1

What are your goals? I personally powerlift, and tend to do deads in sets of 2-4 reps, usually 4 or 5 sets a workout, twice a week.

Reply 2

MagicNMedicine
Question for the fellas on here who deadlift, I'd like to hear your views.

I'm confused as to how often you should be doing these and in what pattern (in terms of sets/reps). I keep reading conflicting advice on the bodybuilding websites.

At the moment I do deads once a week, I do 4 sets in blocks of 6 reps. I don't do my reps as quickly as I would say upright or bent over rows though. My technique tends to be, deep breath in to raise the pressure in my core so I can feel it pushing against my belt, lift, hold for a couple of seconds at the top, then let the weight down, breathe out whilst setting myself again, take another deep breath then lift. About 2-3 seconds between each 'rep'.

Some of the stuff I've read says you should only deadlift every 2/3 weeks because the back is easy to overtrain. And when I look at some of the other fellas in my uni gym (admittedly these look like powerlifters from their build) they seem to be just lifting 1 rep at a time with massive rest time between each lift attempt.

Also, what other exercises do you guys do on deadlift day? I do back and forearms on the same day, so its Deadlifts, weighted pull ups, bent over rows, reverse bicep curls and wrist curls. I always do deads first though because I want my energy levels to be at their highest.

Must say the dead is my favourite exercise, I look forwards throughout the day I'm doing it on to getting in the gym and pulling. Also noticed its helped my posture a lot, I used to slouch a bit before I started deadlifting but the deadlift seems to have straightened out my posture.

theres plenty of different ways to arrange you deadlift volume, frequency, and intensity. Stick with what works for now (presumably what youre currently doing), and try a different approach in the near future. When I started deadlifting I was doing the same as you, it seems. Roughly 4 sets of 6, once a week, simply adding 5-10lbs each week.

Since then ive used all sorts of different ways of training them. Up to 3 times a week, 10-20 heavy sets of 5 each time, plus other exercises.

Recently I tried higher reps again, such as 8-10. Theyre great too. I normally would do the heavy **** first, then drop the weight and do a few high-rep sets afterwards.

here is an example of one of my recent DL workouts. reps,reps,reps x weight:

5,5 x 60
2 x 90
1 x 100,110,120,125
1,1 x 130
1,1 x 135
1,1,1 x 140
3,3 x 140
1,1,1 x 140
1,1 x 145
1,1 x 150
8,8,6 x 120

I always used to do heavy sets without reseting between each rep. Now im starting to do them as a series of singles, just standing up between each rep, then going again. The triples with 140 were done this way. I need to practice my first-pull so singles are a big feature in my DLing currently.

For the light-weight high-rep sets I dont reset, nor touch-and-go, but wait a second or two at the bottom, keeping in shape, then pull again.

pick any well-recommended way of training, and stick with it for a while.

Reply 3

I usually do 5x5, which I find suitably tiring, although I've been forced to take a big break from lifting at the moment due to injury. :frown: The thing I've been told by a few people now regarding higher reps in a set is that you have to be a bit careful with fatigue and form - it's all too easy to put something out if you're really trying to pull out those last few reps. Seems simpler just to do sets of 4, 5, 6, whatever, just my opinion though.

Reply 4

Again, it depends if your goal is size or strength.

1-4 reps = power
5-7 reps = strength (myofibril hypertrophy)
8-12 reps = size (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy)
13+ reps = endurance

Although I think with deadlifts (and squats, to a lesser extent) there is something to be said for working in a slightly lower rep range if your goal is purely to gain size anyway. Pulling that heavier weight will release a lot of testosterone, more so than working in a slightly higher rep range, even if it doesn't fatigue the muscle fibres quite so thoroughly, the hormonal benefits more than make up for it, if you ask me.

Reply 5

i work up to 2 sets of 5 reps! a couple of seconds rest between each rep!

assistance excercises you need are: Good mornings, SLDL, Pull throughs, hyper extensions (with back day) pick one excercise 2x10-20 reps

good mornings on leg day 2x10-20 reps!

Reply 6

Watch this episode of the fitshow:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/fitshow33.htm

It's about hamstrings, especially different deadlift styles.

Reply 7

just t
i work up to 2 sets of 5 reps! a couple of seconds rest between each rep!

assistance excercises you need are: Good mornings, SLDL, Pull throughs, hyper extensions (with back day) pick one excercise 2x10-20 reps

good mornings on leg day 2x10-20 reps!

Not everybody does a back day and a leg day. It's more beneficial and gives better growth to work each muscle more than once a week.

Reply 8

Mr.God
Again, it depends if your goal is size or strength.

1-4 reps = power
5-7 reps = strength (myofibril hypertrophy)
8-12 reps = size (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy)
13+ reps = endurance

Although I think with deadlifts (and squats, to a lesser extent) there is something to be said for working in a slightly lower rep range if your goal is purely to gain size anyway. Pulling that heavier weight will release a lot of testosterone, more so than working in a slightly higher rep range, even if it doesn't fatigue the muscle fibres quite so thoroughly, the hormonal benefits more than make up for it, if you ask me.

disagree!

20 rep squats are the dogs!

Reply 9

Mr.God
Not everybody does a back day and a leg day. It's more beneficial and gives better growth to work each muscle more than once a week.


lol bull ****! different strokes for different folks i guess but im a believer in HIT training

Reply 10

rock_eleven
theres plenty of different ways to arrange you deadlift volume, frequency, and intensity. Stick with what works for now (presumably what youre currently doing), and try a different approach in the near future. When I started deadlifting I was doing the same as you, it seems. Roughly 4 sets of 6, once a week, simply adding 5-10lbs each week.

Since then ive used all sorts of different ways of training them. Up to 3 times a week, 10-20 heavy sets of 5 each time, plus other exercises.

Recently I tried higher reps again, such as 8-10. Theyre great too. I normally would do the heavy **** first, then drop the weight and do a few high-rep sets afterwards.

here is an example of one of my recent DL workouts. reps,reps,reps x weight:

5,5 x 60
2 x 90
1 x 100,110,120,125
1,1 x 130
1,1 x 135
1,1,1 x 140
3,3 x 140
1,1,1 x 140
1,1 x 145
1,1 x 150
8,8,6 x 120

I always used to do heavy sets without reseting between each rep. Now im starting to do them as a series of singles, just standing up between each rep, then going again. The triples with 140 were done this way. I need to practice my first-pull so singles are a big feature in my DLing currently.

For the light-weight high-rep sets I dont reset, nor touch-and-go, but wait a second or two at the bottom, keeping in shape, then pull again.

pick any well-recommended way of training, and stick with it for a while.

Are the weights your lifting in pounds or kilos? I normally do 5x5 for a dead routine, i do them once a week with a couple of warm up sets to grease up the joints then theres nothing left but to deadlift. Its also my favourite exercise, because to see twice my body weight being lifted off the floor gives me a great buzz and its good for confidence and motivation, plus all the added benefits like testosterone etc etc

Reply 11

just t
lol bull ****! different strokes for different folks i guess but im a believer in HIT training

Of course it gives better growth. Think about it, if protein synthesis returns to baseline within about 48-72 hours of training, then you have at least 4 days in a week where each muscle is not anabolic with a split routine. If you hit each muscle twice a week or more with a full body routine, then they're all more or less constantly anabolic.

You should read this month's Mens Fitness, it's got a good article on it. Some guy did 6 years of research with his clients and different routines, the ones that did whole body routines instead of splits gained 9 pounds of muscle in the same time the guys who did splits gained 4.

Reply 12

Frio3535
Are the weights your lifting in pounds or kilos? I normally do 5x5 for a dead routine, i do them once a week with a couple of warm up sets to grease up the joints then theres nothing left but to deadlift. Its also my favourite exercise, because to see twice my body weight being lifted off the floor gives me a great buzz and its good for confidence and motivation, plus all the added benefits like testosterone etc etc

At those sort of reps, that weight has to be in kilos, unless he is about 6 stone.

Reply 13

theres many more factors than that mate!

I know for a fact i couldnt squat twice a week if i wanted to lift anything half decent!

And what about your Poor CNS.

and mens health? blearhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Reply 14

If it takes you a whole week to recover, then I guess that's what you need to recover, but it sounds like you have a really, really poor recovery time. Personally I think most people can easily handle working each muscle at least twice a week if they're sensible enough not to do 15 sets for it each workout.

I've had much, much better growth working each muscle multiple times a week than just once. Rather than doing 12 sets for chest once a week, doing 5 sets 3 times a week has at least doubled my growth. Same with every other muscle. Working to absolute failure doesn't do much unless you're so huge that you need to recruit every last type II fast twitch muscle fibre to get any size. For anybody who's not a monster, full body training is the way to go.

Reply 15

Why not just deadlift and squat in the same week. I used to do deads on Monday and (front) squats on Friday without any trouble.

Reply 16

Mr.God
If it takes you a whole week to recover, then I guess that's what you need to recover, but it sounds like you have a really, really poor recovery time. Personally I think most people can easily handle working each muscle at least twice a week if they're sensible enough not to do 15 sets for it each workout.

I've had much, much better growth working each muscle multiple times a week than just once. Rather than doing 12 sets for chest once a week, doing 5 sets 3 times a week has at least doubled my growth. Same with every other muscle. Working to absolute failure doesn't do much unless you're so huge that you need to recruit every last type II fast twitch muscle fibre to get any size. For anybody who's not a monster, full body training is the way to go.

My thoughts exactly

Reply 17

i disagree! :biggrin:

but i respect your oppinion!
you seem to kno ur theory but in my personal expericene it dosent work in practice as efficiently as other styles!

Reply 18

You just gotta do what works best for your body. Whether or not thats 2 days rest or a week, as long as you make gains thats all that matters.

Reply 19

www.muscletalk.co.uk that website is amazing for advice like this - there are some very experienced people there