How to fund your PGCE?

OP

Looks like I'm going to be saving for a long time then!

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Shelly_x

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Original post by charl0tte90

Looks like I'm going to be saving for a long time then!

If you have 3 years work experience after graduating you can apply for Schools Direct salaried positions. You can also apply for Teach First. They will let you teach your degree subject or any A level subjects you've got at least grade B in.

Both of these are salaried training routes.

Reply 4

OP

Original post by Shelly_x

If you have 3 years work experience after graduating you can apply for Schools Direct salaried positions. You can also apply for Teach First. They will let you teach your degree subject or any A level subjects you've got at least grade B in.

Both of these are salaried training routes.

I've been employed in retail since I graduated but not in education. I want to teach Art but that isn't on the list of recruiting subjects on the Teach First website.

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Shelly_x

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Original post by charl0tte90

I've been employed in retail since I graduated but not in education. I want to teach Art but that isn't on the list of recruiting subjects on the Teach First website.

You just need to have worked for 3 years, it doesn't need to be in education. But schools direct salaried placements in art might be hard to come by.

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OP

I just had a look on UCAS and there is only a handful of salaried placements for Art and they're all in London (I live in the North West). Art isn't listed as a priority subject on the Department of Education website, yet is named as a key subject of the National Curriculum. Hoping they'll see sense in a few years time and put more funding into the Arts...

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Original post by charl0tte90

I just had a look on UCAS and there is only a handful of salaried placements for Art and they're all in London (I live in the North West). Art isn't listed as a priority subject on the Department of Education website, yet is named as a key subject of the National Curriculum. Hoping they'll see sense in a few years time and put more funding into the Arts...

I believe the bursaries are allocated to subjects where there is a shortage of teachers, not because the subject is more or less valued than another subject.

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OP

Original post by TraineeLynsey

I believe the bursaries are allocated to subjects where there is a shortage of teachers, not because the subject is more or less valued than another subject.

I understand why sciences, Maths, MFL, and so on are getting up to £20k as an initiative due to shortage of teachers, but Primary and English trainees are offered up to £9k to study. They are the two most competitive PGCE courses to get onto and definitely no shortage of teachers in those subjects.

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Just because the courses are competitive to get on doesn't necessarily mean there's an excess of teachers around. The rate of thosejoining the profession needs to match or exceed the rate of this leaving . Plus of course the number of children in education is growing all the time.

I don't know the figures, all I'm saying is don't assume that because a lot of people apply to the PGCE that there are sufficient numbers of teachers around.

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Juichiro

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Original post by TraineeLynsey

Just because the courses are competitive to get on doesn't necessarily mean there's an excess of teachers around. The rate of thosejoining the profession needs to match or exceed the rate of this leaving . Plus of course the number of children in education is growing all the time.

I don't know the figures, all I'm saying is don't assume that because a lot of people apply to the PGCE that there are sufficient numbers of teachers around.

Mmmm....Do you have any links supporting that statement?

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You're joking, right?

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Original post by Juichiro

Mmmm....Do you have any links supporting that statement?

You clearly don't keep up to date with any educational news if you need me to prove the fundamental fact that our population is growing.

"However, with primary school rolls expected to rise sharply in the next few years, 40 councils (26% of the total) were forecasting that they would have more pupils than their 2012/13 space provision by the start of the 2014/15 academic year, rising to 70 authorities (46%) in 2015/16, 93 (61%) in 2016/17 and 101 (66%) in 2017/18."
From http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/apr/06/school-places-crisis-labour

"London boroughs have been warning for some years that pupil numbers are growing at a faster rate in the capital that elsewhere in the country."
From http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/policylobbying/children/schools/primaryschools.htm"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23931974
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25432376
https://www.teachers.org.uk/edufacts/school-places-crisis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9711816/Watchdog-warns-over-shortage-of-primary-school-places.html

And just because I can anticipate your argumentative response, you will note that at no point have I claimed there are sufficient school places for ALL of these children, but more money and extra places (and therefore extra teachers) have been put in place. (see above articles)

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Jantaculum

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Original post by TraineeLynsey

Just because the courses are competitive to get on doesn't necessarily mean there's an excess of teachers around. The rate of thosejoining the profession needs to match or exceed the rate of this leaving . Plus of course the number of children in education is growing all the time.

I don't know the figures, all I'm saying is don't assume that because a lot of people apply to the PGCE that there are sufficient numbers of teachers around.

You are absolutely spot on. My local authority is in an absolute whirlwind at the moment trying to plan for the number of 0-4 year olds who will need school places imminently - there's a capital building programme of £20 million that isn't nearly enough. We're looking at 70-100 extra teachers over the next 2-3 years.

And judging by the recruitment processes that I am regularly involved in (yes I know that's anecdotal but I've been involved in this process for over 10 years, plenty of time and experience in spotting trends) every year we have more places to fill and fewer good candidates to fill them. The turnover of teaching staff is becoming a significant issue in recruitment

(edited 9 years ago)

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Juichiro

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Original post by TraineeLynsey

You clearly don't keep up to date with any educational news if you need me to prove the fundamental fact that our population is growing.

"However, with primary school rolls expected to rise sharply in the next few years, 40 councils (26% of the total) were forecasting that they would have more pupils than their 2012/13 space provision by the start of the 2014/15 academic year, rising to 70 authorities (46%) in 2015/16, 93 (61%) in 2016/17 and 101 (66%) in 2017/18."
From http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/apr/06/school-places-crisis-labour

"London boroughs have been warning for some years that pupil numbers are growing at a faster rate in the capital that elsewhere in the country."
From http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/policylobbying/children/schools/primaryschools.htm"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-23931974
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25432376
https://www.teachers.org.uk/edufacts/school-places-crisis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9711816/Watchdog-warns-over-shortage-of-primary-school-places.html

And just because I can anticipate your argumentative response, you will note that at no point have I claimed there are sufficient school places for ALL of these children, but more money and extra places (and therefore extra teachers) have been put in place. (see above articles)

lol Calm down. I was not going to give you any argumentative response. Why would you think otherwise? :tongue:

There is a difference between population growth and child population growth. The defining factor tends to be eldery population dynamics. So if there with a high enough elderly population death rate, high birth rates resulting in child population growth do not in fact result in population growth.

I knew that there was a high birth rate (mainly due to immigration) and I sort of knew that the elderly population was growing as well. Also, I did not know that the birth rate itself was growing. What I did not know was that this was happening at such a high pace that could be reliably detected and be a matter to take into account in short-term policies. At no point I distrusted what you said, I merely asked for info about it. :smile:

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Minimum_Wage

I'd just like to contribute by expressing my extreme annyance about the fact that there is no government bursary for Art and Design PGCEs. If I were planning to do a Design and Technology PGCE I'd be looking at a 12 grand bursary, what with my 1st class degree. :mad:

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OP