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Well yes. IMO democracy should be that the people really do decide (remember my half-baked post about referendums on everything?), or just don't bother at all.
Referendums for everything is the best way for democracy to work, but we know that wont happen. We have to be told how to act and to live. Cant you just feel communism slipping back onto us.
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Referendums for everything is the best way for democracy to work, but we know that wont happen. We have to be told how to act and to live. Cant you just feel communism slipping back onto us.
Generally it seems to me that everything is moveing further to the political right but that is just me.
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Generally it seems to me that everything is moveing further to the political right but that is just me.
It seems to me the opposite.
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It seems to me the opposite.
Yeah seems more left to me too.....waaaaaay left. And it doesnt just seem that way here in the US, its being pushed upon everyone worldwide.
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Generally it seems to me that everything is moveing further to the political right but that is just me.

Leftists are socialists at heart, and to me it seems we are moving toward socialism.
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Yeah seems more left to me too.....waaaaaay left. And it doesnt just seem that way here in the US, its being pushed upon everyone worldwide.
Well, I hadn't noticed a lurch to the left in the US recently to be honest.
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Well, I hadn't noticed a lurch to the left in the US recently to be honest.
Thats exactly how they want you to see it. Whoever the 'THEY' is, are the ones you never hear or see but 'they' pass policy and laws against public opinion.
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Thats exactly how they want you to see it. Whoever the 'THEY' is, are the ones you never hear or see but 'they' pass policy and laws against public opinion.
And an example of this would be what?
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And an example of this would be what?
The AIPAC in everything they do for one. I have the sneaky feeling you are jewish, am i right? You seem to be stalking me like you work for one of their organizations. You do not scare me guy. My daddy is stronger than yours.
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The AIPAC in everything they do for one. I have the sneaky feeling you are jewish, am i right? You seem to be stalking me like you work for one of their organizations. You do not scare me guy. My daddy is stronger than yours.
What an unhealthy obsession you have with trying to identify Jewish members of UKL! I don't see what myself being Jewish or not has to do with anything, and neither am I "stalking" you as you put it.
All I asked for was some example of this 'secret-leftism' going on in the US as I had never heard of it, and wouldn't have thought such a thing was/is happening, seeing as there is a republican/right-wing person in power. there is no need to get so defensive.

And I DO hope i DON'T scare you, seeing as this is the Internet and the chances of me leaping out of your monitor to attack you are VERY VERY slim.
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What an unhealthy obsession you have with trying to identify Jewish members of UKL! I don't see what myself being Jewish or not has to do with anything, and neither am I "stalking" you as you put it.
All I asked for was some example of this 'secret-leftism' going on in the US as I had never heard of it, and wouldn't have thought such a thing was/is happening, seeing as there is a republican/right-wing person in power. there is no need to get so defensive.

And I DO hope i DON'T scare you, seeing as this is the Internet and the chances of me leaping out of your monitor to attack you are VERY VERY slim.
Ok sorry then, its an American thing.
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So it's unacceptable to exclude groups of people from our society based on their background/culture/beliefs/views...
I find this quite hypocritical though. There are many groups of people that are not allowed to express their views/attitudes/beliefs. Take racists as an example. They are a group of people who share similar beliefs and views about certain things. According to PCness, equal rights and all that stuff racists (as a group of people who share a belief system) should not be discriminated against - but they are.

I'm not saying I support people with racist views or anything but I just think it's impossible to say 'everyone should be included and have equal rights and an equal say', if you then don't include everyone. What do you think about this?

Surely these rights onlt apply while you respect the rights of others?
If racists don't think "everyone should be included and have equal rights and equal say" then why should they be given it?
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What an unhealthy obsession you have with trying to identify Jewish members of UKL! I don't see what myself being Jewish or not has to do with anything, and neither am I "stalking" you as you put it.
All I asked for was some example of this 'secret-leftism' going on in the US as I had never heard of it, and wouldn't have thought such a thing was/is happening, seeing as there is a republican/right-wing person in power. there is no need to get so defensive.

And I DO hope i DON'T scare you, seeing as this is the Internet and the chances of me leaping out of your monitor to attack you are VERY VERY slim.

He asked me if I was Jewish once too! It was completely out of the blue.
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He asked me if I was Jewish once too! It was completely out of the blue.
I look at jewish people as more a political thing than a racial thing...thats why i ask a lot. Funny how people think thats odd...its common here where i am.
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What Jewish political thing?
Where i work, people that are jewish are a political system sort of. It isnt meant as a putdown.
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I look at jewish people as more a political thing than a racial thing...thats why i ask a lot. Funny how people think thats odd...its common here where i am.

So you'll just randomly say to people, "Are you Jewish?"
I'm not offended or anything, just wondered why you thought that.
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I'm not saying it is, I just don't know what you mean. I presume it means that Jewish people mainly have certain political views in your neck of the woods. But what are they?

Crazy liberals I would imagine :rolleyes:
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I'm not saying it is, I just don't know what you mean. I presume it means that Jewish people mainly have certain political views in your neck of the woods. But what are they?
Right, you`ll have to ask them, i cant speak for them on that. Mostly pro-israeli stuff though.
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So you'll just randomly say to people, "Are you Jewish?"
I'm not offended or anything, just wondered why you thought that.
I just like having an idea of who i am talking to, nothing more than that.
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I just like having an idea of who i am talking to, nothing more than that.
But I don't see how knowing whether I'm Jewish or not would help. You didn't say are you a women, gay, straight, a socialist, a communist, Irish, a scientist - you asked if a was Jewish and you have asked a few people.
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