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Hello people.
I should be glad of some international perspectives on the University of Melbourne. I have begun studying there, though lately have been giving serious consideration to applying to some American colleges - namely Harvard, Yale, Princeton - partly because of the sheer impressiveness of their reputations and resources, and partly because I find it flattering that they make it affordable for international undergraduates to study there; indeed it is not much more expensive, exculding travel costs, for me to study in the US then it is here in Australia.
So far I have been quite impressed by Melbourne Uni. It ranks quite well, 78th in the latest Shanghai, 19th in the 2005 Times Higher, and I think 53rd in Newsweek. But have people heard of it overseas? Do they know of its reputation? In all probability I wil be working/studying overseas after I graduate, so this is important to me. Personally I wonder how competetive it can be given its size - it is about twice as large as Cambridge/Harvard - and comparative lack of funding and resources. Then again, the mean ENTER (tertiary entrance rank) score is about 95 (ie top 5% of school leavers). It is the most popular university for high-achieving school leavers, and I think the best in the country, tho' ANU may be better for postgrad.
But tell me, what do you people know/think about it?
I should be glad of some international perspectives on the University of Melbourne. I have begun studying there, though lately have been giving serious consideration to applying to some American colleges - namely Harvard, Yale, Princeton - partly because of the sheer impressiveness of their reputations and resources, and partly because I find it flattering that they make it affordable for international undergraduates to study there; indeed it is not much more expensive, exculding travel costs, for me to study in the US then it is here in Australia.
So far I have been quite impressed by Melbourne Uni. It ranks quite well, 78th in the latest Shanghai, 19th in the 2005 Times Higher, and I think 53rd in Newsweek. But have people heard of it overseas? Do they know of its reputation? In all probability I wil be working/studying overseas after I graduate, so this is important to me. Personally I wonder how competetive it can be given its size - it is about twice as large as Cambridge/Harvard - and comparative lack of funding and resources. Then again, the mean ENTER (tertiary entrance rank) score is about 95 (ie top 5% of school leavers). It is the most popular university for high-achieving school leavers, and I think the best in the country, tho' ANU may be better for postgrad.
But tell me, what do you people know/think about it?
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hi!
I am coming in february 2007 to University of Melbourne. In southeast asia, I would say it is quite well known and as you probably already know there are a lot of southeast asian students.
The high entrance requirements (including the ENTER), means that it is a very popular university and entrance to most of its courses is competitive.
However, Worldwide it is certaintly not as respected or competitive as the Ivy Leagues (Harvard, Princeton, Duke, JHU, etc...) in the United States.
I think you should consider where you wish to work in the future. If you want to work in the US, you should definately consider studying there, as I don't think an Australian degree as really respected there.
If you want to work in Asia, an Ivy League degree would be best but Melbourne isn't bad.
In general, the Ivy Leagues are known worldwide... but entrance is extremely competitive.
I am coming in february 2007 to University of Melbourne. In southeast asia, I would say it is quite well known and as you probably already know there are a lot of southeast asian students.
The high entrance requirements (including the ENTER), means that it is a very popular university and entrance to most of its courses is competitive.
However, Worldwide it is certaintly not as respected or competitive as the Ivy Leagues (Harvard, Princeton, Duke, JHU, etc...) in the United States.
I think you should consider where you wish to work in the future. If you want to work in the US, you should definately consider studying there, as I don't think an Australian degree as really respected there.
If you want to work in Asia, an Ivy League degree would be best but Melbourne isn't bad.
In general, the Ivy Leagues are known worldwide... but entrance is extremely competitive.
You'll enjoy it at Melbourne next year, mml; what are you hoping to study there? It's just entering a transition phase to align itself with American and European universities, as I'm sure you've heard. Any thoughts on that?
I get the feeling that Australian universities aren't, on the whole, as globally competitive as the elite american/british unis. But I was also wondering how easy it was to get into these Oxbridge-level institutions as a postgraduate. From what I've heard, so long as you get a good class of undergraduate degree and your research proposal interests the department you're applying to, then the university you went to isn't much of a deciding factor. But is it possible for internationals at universities a bit outside the first-rank to suddenly move over to top-level Anglo-American unis? Is this common? Is it expensive? Is it rewarding? Has anyone in TSR done this?
Over to you guys...
I get the feeling that Australian universities aren't, on the whole, as globally competitive as the elite american/british unis. But I was also wondering how easy it was to get into these Oxbridge-level institutions as a postgraduate. From what I've heard, so long as you get a good class of undergraduate degree and your research proposal interests the department you're applying to, then the university you went to isn't much of a deciding factor. But is it possible for internationals at universities a bit outside the first-rank to suddenly move over to top-level Anglo-American unis? Is this common? Is it expensive? Is it rewarding? Has anyone in TSR done this?
Over to you guys...
Lots of people from Australian unis go into top universities around the world. Oxbridge, London, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT etc etc. The thing that matters the most is your intellectual potential, and your proven performance. You can get into Harvard with a 2:1 ffs!
Where do you think all the intelligent Australians go?
Where do you think all the intelligent Australians go?
Moreover, studying in the USA, particularly in the Ivy leage unis, will cost u considerably more than Melbourne Uni. Ivy league unis charge in excess of 30 thousand US dollars a yr for tuition alone.....Melbourne averages at 18-20 thousand aussie dollars for arts and 25-33 thousand aussie dollars for science, med and eng.
Remember, aussie dollar is about 0.758 US dollars. Moreover, living in Aus will be cheaper than USA. Undergraduate study at Ivy league can be a formidable expense.
Unis:
Remember, aussie dollar is about 0.758 US dollars. Moreover, living in Aus will be cheaper than USA. Undergraduate study at Ivy league can be a formidable expense.
Unis:
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But Ivies have huge amount of financial aid to give out. Maybe not for international students though.
As for Melbourne, I agree its well known in SouthEast Asia as well as probably in aussie itself and new zealand. The thing about australia is that its far away from the rest of the world but its getting more well-known as time goes. I think, in general, a graduate of oxbridge or an Ivy (esp. HYP) will have better prospects all over the world. But it really depends where you intend to work in the future.
Its moving towards more research work and stuff yeah? I know they scraped the Law undergrad degree for 2008 coz I was there last summer and I went to check it out. I'll possibly apply for medicine in 2008.
As for Melbourne, I agree its well known in SouthEast Asia as well as probably in aussie itself and new zealand. The thing about australia is that its far away from the rest of the world but its getting more well-known as time goes. I think, in general, a graduate of oxbridge or an Ivy (esp. HYP) will have better prospects all over the world. But it really depends where you intend to work in the future.
Its moving towards more research work and stuff yeah? I know they scraped the Law undergrad degree for 2008 coz I was there last summer and I went to check it out. I'll possibly apply for medicine in 2008.
jordanv
Lots of people from Australian unis go into top universities around the world. Oxbridge, London, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT etc etc. The thing that matters the most is your intellectual potential, and your proven performance. You can get into Harvard with a 2:1 ffs!
Where do you think all the intelligent Australians go?
Where do you think all the intelligent Australians go?
You may have a point there, jordanv; I read that about 1/20 local Australian students head overseas on graduation - all part of the national 'brain drain', if I may be cynical. And what with c. 15-20% of students being international...
Yes, Melbourne is now switching more to the style of higher ed they have in the US, with less career-specific undergraduate degrees, and moving professional courses, including medicine, into the postgraduate level. Also they are intending to have more full fee-paying places. One of the best reasons they have giving for doing this is that it allows a more cohesive and coherent mode of study - they did a study a few years back which showed they had c. 44,000 students, and 28,000 timetables. Melbourne is aiming to boost its international standing and comparability, and to increase its income amid falling levels of government support.
Personally i wonder whether it hasn't gotten a little too please with itself after The Times ranked in 19th in all the world - which, incidentally, puts it ahead of Brown, Pensylvannia, Dartmouth and Columbia, all in the Ivy League (though it is beaten by Calfiornia, Cornell and Stanford which aren't).
You can check out the details of the changes here: <http://melbournemodel.unimelb.edu.au/>
Would anyone thinking of studying overseas consider it as an alternative for subjects like Classics, English, Law, History of Art? Am interested in your views.
Thanks.
there should be. the lady i went to see she law was definately doing only grad entry in 2008. but medicine has not made that decision. I just went to the website and it still says entry for 2008. But thanks for letting me know coz I better check again to make sure coz things may have changed.
If not, I'll apply to unsw or monash maybe. monash only 5 years anyway.
If not, I'll apply to unsw or monash maybe. monash only 5 years anyway.
Zinc11
there should be. the lady i went to see she law was definately doing only grad entry in 2008. but medicine has not made that decision. I just went to the website and it still says entry for 2008. But thanks for letting me know coz I better check again to make sure coz things may have changed.
If not, I'll apply to unsw or monash maybe. monash only 5 years anyway.
If not, I'll apply to unsw or monash maybe. monash only 5 years anyway.
Yeh the Melbourne course has an AMS (Advanced medical science) yr, hence it is one year longer.
Zinc11
which is okay coz its like a BSc in the UK - eg. Imperial and stuff. What makes me think Melbourne is better then Monash is that Monash's course seems to be very focused on child and women medicine. Dont know whether that will suit me.
Melbourne course has no interview for domestic applicants. So take that onboard :P
Has a high reputation because its hard to get into. However the course changed recently and apparently the new course has too much self directed learning, whereby students are getting a little lost. And also it has lost its hardcore science parts. However ignoring that, it's still number 1 choice for around 3000 applicants.
The law school is good with the new law building, but USYD has a higher rep purely because it is an older university, and its a sandstone uni !
The law school is good with the new law building, but USYD has a higher rep purely because it is an older university, and its a sandstone uni !
Hi guys, I need some help regarding the university of Melbourne. I'm going to start in February doing Commerce, I finished my IB in May and got the necessary results to satisfy the guarenteed entry score. What I need help on though is accommodation recommendations for which college to apply to as my first choice, as I would like recommendations from students of the university or anyone who knows about the colleges themselves, rather than solely on how each college advertises itself.
The only colleges I managed to visit when i was recently in Melbourne were Trinity, which I don't think I particularly appealed to me as it seemed a quite religious and I'm not a religious person, and Ormond, which did appeal greatly to me based on its emphasis on music and sports. So I guess at the moment Ormond seems like my first choice, but are there any other colleges which any of you would recommend? I am very interested in sports, and I have played the guitar for a long time so I am also interested in music, and I don't want to go to a very religious one. Thanks for any help
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I think I'd like to stay in a college for the first year or half a year at least, just to help getting used to the city itself and the help that it offers for settling into university, making friends etc. Don't really want to have to worry about things such as cooking and buying lots of groceries when I first start university, maybe once I've made good friends then sharing a student apartment might be a better idea. If anyone else can recommend which colleges are good, thanks in advance
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