The Riot Club... truth or fiction?

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Hi all,
I am going to see The Riot Club this week at the cinema and was wondering if anyone had seen it already?
If so, do you think it is a true depiction of what it is like to be an Oxbridge student or a twisted fictionalisation by the media?

For those of you who haven't seen it advertised, The Riot Club is a film based around 'Two first-year students at Oxford University who join the infamous Riot Club, where reputations can be made or destroyed over the course of a single evening.' (IMDb)

Trailer here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO9lXtXsLco


Looks interesting, let me know what you think!
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Thinking about seeing this.


I genuinely believe that the actual Bullingdon Club is worse
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Men with power and money just act how all men want to. Wolf of wall street proved this, footballers prove this, actors and rock stars prove this...with enough wealth and opportunity the true side of men comes out(essentially sleep with loads of women, including escorts and what not). Most just don't have the opportunity, the wealth and social restraint holds them back.
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Watched it a few days back and its a decent film , worth watching.

The events are definitely exaggerated though I believe the bullingdon club once did something similar to the events of the film as in vandalising a pub but were largely apologetic .

It certainly got me very angry at some of the obnoxious behaviour of the characters though.
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(Original post by Queen Cersei)
[FONT=verdana]Hi all,
I am going to see The Riot Club this week at the cinema and was wondering if anyone had seen it already?
If so, do you think it is a true depiction of what it is like to be an Oxbridge student or a twisted fictionalisation by the media?

For those of you who haven't seen it advertised, The Riot Club is a film based around '[COLOR=#333333]Two first-year students at Oxford University who join the infamous Riot Club, where reputations can be made or destroyed over the course of a single evening.' (IMDb)

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There are bits that are certainly true, bits that are probably true, and a lot of embroidering.

After nine years at Oxbridge (two as a staff member), I have never met anyone I knew to be titled/an aristocrat, although one student I matriculated with was rumored to be the son of a Middle Eastern oil baron.

There are a reasonable number of drinking societies (some of the have names like, er, the boat club, the darts team and the rugby club...), with initiations like drinking a pint of mud or swallowing a live goldfish. They tend to be full of students from normal backgrounds and are likely drinking societies or sports teams at any uni.

I know the sports teams I have been a member of have occasionally done obnoxious things (vomiting on the floor in restaurants, standing up on a chair to make speeches). That's not special to Oxbridge.

There are people with plummy accents who went to posh schools. Much like some of the students at the start of The Riot Club, they often try to hide it/play it down. I have occasionally been teased for having a Midlands accent - by state school friends from Bristol (because of course they have no accent) or my boyfriend (who is from the East End of London and is unintelligible to non-native speakers). Sometimes, 'posh' friends try to tell me they don't have an accent. I tell them they're wrong

There is money washing around, probably more than you'd see normally from a state school background - people in head to toe Jack Wills, people who think they're hard done by if the can't go skiing every year, an ex boyfriend who owned his own white tie; but it's not generally overt. The only time you might realise that your friend is Secret Posh (sounds and looks normal, actually rolling in it) is if you go to their 21st birthday party and Mummy and Daddy have pulled out all the stops - balcony of the Shard hired for the night, marquee their 10 acres of Surrey grounds, Tudor mansion booked out for the weekend...

Sexism is there are all universities, men with a sense of entitlement simply because they're men. Oxbridge isn't special in that regard.

As for coke and prostitutes - I've been told that goes on, but I haven't seen any evidence of it personally.

But the Bullingdon Club and dining societies like it ARE real. When I started at Oxford in 2006, the student papers reported that an un-named dining society had smashed up a pub near Oxford and their parents had paid for all the damage (£££££) to be repaired by cheque. Pretty disgusting really. But how often do young men and women who aren't rich commit criminal damage for the sake of it?
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Bullingdon club
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heard that david cameron was in this club before.
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There are bits that are certainly true, bits that are probably true, and a lot of embroidering.

After nine years at Oxbridge (two as a staff member), I have never met anyone I knew to be titled/an aristocrat, although one student I matriculated with was rumored to be the son of a Middle Eastern oil baron.

There are a reasonable number of drinking societies (some of the have names like, er, the boat club, the darts team and the rugby club...), with initiations like drinking a pint of mud or swallowing a live goldfish. They tend to be full of students from normal backgrounds and are likely drinking societies or sports teams at any uni.

I know the sports teams I have been a member of have occasionally done obnoxious things (vomiting on the floor in restaurants, standing up on a chair to make speeches). That's not special to Oxbridge.

There are people with plummy accents who went to posh schools. Much like some of the students at the start of The Riot Club, they often try to hide it/play it down. I have occasionally been teased for having a Midlands accent - by state school friends from Bristol (because of course they have no accent) or my boyfriend (who is from the East End of London and is unintelligible to non-native speakers). Sometimes, 'posh' friends try to tell me they don't have an accent. I tell them they're wrong

There is money washing around, probably more than you'd see normally from a state school background - people in head to toe Jack Wills, people who think they're hard done by if the can't go skiing every year, an ex boyfriend who owned his own white tie; but it's not generally overt. The only time you might realise that your friend is Secret Posh (sounds and looks normal, actually rolling in it) is if you go to their 21st birthday party and Mummy and Daddy have pulled out all the stops - balcony of the Shard hired for the night, marquee their 10 acres of Surrey grounds, Tudor mansion booked out for the weekend...

Sexism is there are all universities, men with a sense of entitlement simply because they're men. Oxbridge isn't special in that regard.

As for coke and prostitutes - I've been told that goes on, but I haven't seen any evidence of it personally.

But the Bullingdon Club and dining societies like it ARE real. When I started at Oxford in 2006, the student papers reported that an un-named dining society had smashed up a pub near Oxford and their parents had paid for all the damage (£££££) to be repaired by cheque. Pretty disgusting really. But how often do young men and women who aren't rich commit criminal damage for the sake of it?
Secret Posh? :lol:

Obviously you have wealthy people at every university (some moreso than others) but it should be no less obvious that being wealthy doesn't make you posh, and likewise being posh doesn't require you to be wealthy. Being "posh" is essentially just having a certain accent and having certain mannerisms, all of which can be learned by anyone. It sounds like your "secret posh" people are just regular people with wealthy parents, to me.

Anyway, yes, I think it sounds like an interesting film – I'll be going to see it at some point next week!
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Secret Posh? :lol:

Obviously you have wealthy people at every university (some moreso than others) but it should be no less obvious that being wealthy doesn't make you posh, and likewise being posh doesn't require you to be wealthy. Being "posh" is essentially just having a certain accent and having certain mannerisms, all of which can be learned by anyone. It sounds like your "secret posh" people are just regular people with wealthy parents, to me.

Anyway, yes, I think it sounds like an interesting film – I'll be going to see it at some point next week!
Secret posh are people who have deliberately dropped their accent, don't want to talk about having been to Harrow/Rugby/Westminster/Eton, are champagne socialists, and generally disguise things like having a cousin who is a baronet, etc.
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Secret posh are people who have deliberately dropped their accent, don't want to talk about having been to Harrow/Rugby/Westminster/Eton, are champagne socialists, and generally disguise things like having a cousin who is a baronet, etc.
Then they aren't "posh"... If you drop the accent and purposely act "not posh" then by all accounts, you aren't posh. Just like if you went out of your way to act like a chav, you would be a chav.

Going to a public or private school doesn't make you automatically posh.
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Seen it, it's a great film. Definitely worth watching.

As for realism I would imagine most of it is very similar to the Bullingdon Club, except for one part, which I won't mention due to spoilers.
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Of course this film is exaggerated. Nowadays Oxonians are very friendly and from all backgrounds.

But, the Bullingdon Club (Riot) still exists - see here: http://oxford.tab.co.uk/2013/09/09/p...ive-and-awful/ Please note they are not as good looking in real life...

However, in the the professional world nowadays it is now a burden to be Eton/rah/posh than a boon. Jokes on them I suppose, they're a dying breed, especially as Oxford admissions are much tighter than they used to be (daddy can no longer 'ring up the admissions tutor at his old college and tell him what a good chap you are'.
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I haven't seen it, but the groups something like the one portrayed do exist. But the film makers point out they are talking about ten students, in a university with over 22,000 students...
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I haven't seen it, but the groups something like the one portrayed do exist. But the film makers point out they are talking about ten students, in a university with over 22,000 students...
Mmm film makers aren't afraid of smearing Oxford university with it's vast mountains of money, but for some reason they've had to put the name of the actual club through the mangler.

Did the film makers shoot the external location shots on uni property?
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i watched it, its ok. all the characters are depictions are pretty believable id say, perfectly believable actually. there are some awful bigotted angry posh idiots and some normal people too, so i reckon its fairly accurate? idk, ive not studied at oxford.
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The Bullingdon Club book private venues under false names, get rowdy and sometimes destructive through drunken stupor, then pay by cash or cheque on-the-spot for any damage caused.
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Interestingly enough, a Wiki page has quite a lot of detail on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club

'Its ostentatious display of wealth attracts controversy, since many ex-members have moved up to high political posts, most notably the current British Prime Minister David Cameron, Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne, and Mayor of London Boris Johnson.'
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