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  • View Poll Results: Cast your vote in the TSR General Election:
    TSR Conservative & Unionist Party
    104
    16.64%
    TSR Green Party
    157
    25.12%
    TSR Liberal Party
    57
    9.12%
    TSR UKIP
    88
    14.08%
    TSR Socialist Party
    58
    9.28%
    Matthew_Lowson, Independent
    14
    2.24%
    TSR Labour Party
    109
    17.44%
    TSR Libertarian Party
    20
    3.20%
    Spoilt Ballot
    18
    2.88%

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    (Original post by ukip72)
    OK. Why is this figure in USD?
    It's in Geary–Khamis Dollar aka the International Dollar, it's not the same as the USD today, it's based on year 2000 US Dollar benchmark for PPP.
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    I voted TSR Labour.

    Conservatives and Liberals looked ok, until they mentioned they were pro-Monarchy.
    Hey Just so you know, the Liberals are not a pro-Monarchy party - one of our MPs voted for the Bill in question, and plenty of us believe in a republic. Our issue was that it raised many question which weren't adequately dealt with by the authors. They ignored the result of a referendum that voted to keep the Monarchy on the basis it was too old, whilst rejecting an EU referendum on the basis of a result that was even older - effectively, they used the fact that there was no clear constitutional position to their own political advantage. That's why we'd like to codify how long referenda are valid for, and stop future Governments ignoring them in that time frame - so that we can't see the wishes of the people ignored.

    I am myself a republican, but I also believe that the Bill was, frankly, a shambles. They proposed a President without saying what they would do, how they would be elected or whether they would be a head of Government or head of state. They failed to deal with the legal and constitutional implications of abolishing the Monarchy - such as the future of the Crown Estate. Me and many other Liberals want a Republic, but we want it to be a functional and democratic Republic. If you want to get involved, I would urge you to consider joining the Liberals so we can together put forward that change
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Did we have any anti-EU bills?
    Bill I had in mind was a Nebby PMB and I was also the Immigration Bill.
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    Hey Just so you know, the Liberals are not a pro-Monarchy party - one of our MPs voted for the Bill in question, and plenty of us believe in a republic. Our issue was that it raised many question which weren't adequately dealt with by the authors. They ignored the result of a referendum that voted to keep the Monarchy on the basis it was too old, whilst rejecting an EU referendum on the basis of a result that was even older - effectively, they used the fact that there was no clear constitutional position to their own political advantage. That's why we'd like to codify how long referenda are valid for, and stop future Governments ignoring them in that time frame - so that we can't see the wishes of the people ignored.

    I am myself a republican, but I also believe that the Bill was, frankly, a shambles. They proposed a President without saying what they would do, how they would be elected or whether they would be a head of Government or head of state. They failed to deal with the legal and constitutional implications of abolishing the Monarchy - such as the future of the Crown Estate. Me and many other Liberals want a Republic, but we want it to be a functional and democratic Republic. If you want to get involved, I would urge you to consider joining the Liberals so we can together put forward that change
    We did mention what would happen to the crown estate :unimpressed: The constitutional implications are massively overblown seeing as we have no codified constitution therefor power falls where it is most likely to go - the Prime Minister, and later - once the details have been confirmed - a President.
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    Hey Just so you know, the Liberals are not a pro-Monarchy party - one of our MPs voted for the Bill in question, and plenty of us believe in a republic. Our issue was that it raised many question which weren't adequately dealt with by the authors. They ignored the result of a referendum that voted to keep the Monarchy on the basis it was too old, whilst rejecting an EU referendum on the basis of a result that was even older - effectively, they used the fact that there was no clear constitutional position to their own political advantage. That's why we'd like to codify how long referenda are valid for, and stop future Governments ignoring them in that time frame - so that we can't see the wishes of the people ignored.
    The Liberal manifesto doesn't state that you're a pro-Republican party, on Labour's manifesto it does - that was what swayed me.
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    To all parties, but particularly Labour, what is your stance on Tony Blair's comments that ground troops shouldn't be ruled out in Iraq?
    Personally I agree with him although I don't think that there should be British/French boots on ground, rather Arab League boots on the ground and I'd also take one further step and sanction Qatar to hell, they fund the terrorists, it's them we need to target, forget Russia, it's Qatar that's the real enemy of the West :fuhrer:

    (Please note this is a personal opinion in case you didn't understand the "personally" part ).
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    Vote Libertarian, obviously. Like, who else are you going to vote for? I mean, seriously.

    Hey Liberals, would any y'all mind explaining to me why means testing is unfair? Surely giving money to rich people isn't a great idea.
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    To all parties, but particularly Labour, what is your stance on Tony Blair's comments that ground troops shouldn't be ruled out in Iraq?
    I can be fairly sure I speak for everyone in the Libertarian Party when I say '**** that ****'.
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    Can I ask the prospective members of their views on the dress code that should be adopted in the House? In view of the previous Parliament deciding not to give protection to sleeves.
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    Changed my profile pic for General Election season is now in full swing :wavingtheflag:
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Can I ask the prospective members of their views on the dress code that should be adopted in the House? In view of the previous Parliament deciding not to give protection to sleeves.
    Suits, surely.

    And perhaps colour-coded ties, seeing as how indistinguishable MPs are becoming these days :rolleyes:
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    individuals can rarely deliver help as effectively as a group of them can, humans are by nature a social species, we work with other humans in order to survive, we are co-dependent on others in fact, without them most humans would not survive very long at all, even hunter gatherers formed tribes in order to provide for each other...
    As a libertarian, I agree entirely. Humans are social animals, and humanity will flourish the extent we engage in harmonious, social cooperation. Obviously communal organisations can be very effective at achieving the shared goals of the individuals that comprise them, the problem comes when we get beyond groups of roughly a 150 (what anthropologists call 'Dunbar's number) when direct social cooperation ceases to be viable. It's at that point it's institutions (or sets of institutions) like markets become useful, because they allow us to cooperate with people we've never met in pursuit of ends the full breadth of which we couldn't possibly comprehend.

    My problem with the state is that it's not primarily a method of social cooperation, but of subjugation. It is, to quote Marx, the executive committee of the ruling class.

    The state has shaped the development of capitalism at every stage, concentrating power in the hands of a privileged few. Sure, things like the welfare state throw a few scraps to the poor, but in reality the redistribution of wealth in society is going the other way.

    I'm a libertarian for the same reason most people are socialists: I oppose structural poverty, social privilege and militarism.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Can I ask the prospective members of their views on the dress code that should be adopted in the House? In view of the previous Parliament deciding not to give protection to sleeves.
    Morph suits, or che guevera t-shirts.

    (Original post by PicardianSocialist)
    Vote Libertarian, obviously. Like, who else are you going to vote for? I mean, seriously.

    Hey Liberals, would any y'all mind explaining to me why means testing is unfair? Surely giving money to rich people isn't a great idea.
    Because means testing costs money that we don't have, the RI system works well because it invalidates the need to spend excessive amounts on means testing. It allows us to cut taxes across the board, as a Libertarian Socialist I would have expected you to believe in the principles behind progressive tax rates. I'd like to see a 50% tax rate for those earning over 250k, a 40% tax rate for those earning between 125-250k and a 30% tax rate for those earning 70k-125k, all below this should be a flat 20%.
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    (Original post by MrMacho)


    Because means testing costs money that we don't have, the RI system works well because it invalidates the need to spend excessive amounts on means testing. It allows us to cut taxes across the board, as a Libertarian I would have expected you to believe in the principles behind progressive tax rates. I'd like to see a 50% tax rate for those earning over 250k, a 40% tax rate for those earning between 125-250k and a 30% tax rate for those earning 70k-125k, all below this should be a flat 20%.
    Hold on, I'm totally confused. I always thought means testing involved giving people more stuff as there income was lower? So like progressive taxation but for benefits.

    Or are you saying benefits should be flat benefits but made up for by progressive taxation to save money on the actual process of working out the income of people seeking benefits?
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    (Original post by PicardianSocialist)
    Hold on, I'm totally confused. I always thought means testing involved giving people more stuff as there income was lower? So like progressive taxation but for benefits.

    Or are you saying benefits should be flat benefits but made up for by progressive taxation to save money on the actual process of working out the income of people seeking benefits?
    No I'm saying we need progressive taxation that allows the richest in society to pay their debt to the poor who they abuse as a matter of course in their pursuit of wealth. However rather than doing this through an excessively complex benefits scheme, we should do it via progressive taxation at the rates I've set out. Simplifying the welfare system and saving a shedload of money, whilst ensuring the winners in the race of life don't walk away with all the free cake and eat it.

    Important Disclaimer: This is in no way a party policy, or the prevailing opinion within the Libertarians.
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    Libertarian!
    Why not let people live their lives the way they want to live it?
    Vote for something a little different.

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    I always quite enjoy the liber manifesto when I have time to look through them all.

    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Take £9bn for myself and £1bn for expenses connected to being PM...
    I'm saddened that you didn't run your own wacky campaign again we need a character about the shop.
 
 
 
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