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  • View Poll Results: Cast your vote in the TSR General Election:
    TSR Conservative & Unionist Party
    104
    16.64%
    TSR Green Party
    157
    25.12%
    TSR Liberal Party
    57
    9.12%
    TSR UKIP
    88
    14.08%
    TSR Socialist Party
    58
    9.28%
    Matthew_Lowson, Independent
    14
    2.24%
    TSR Labour Party
    109
    17.44%
    TSR Libertarian Party
    20
    3.20%
    Spoilt Ballot
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Absolutely, but realistically you couldn't make an accessible quiz where all voters read each one.
    You'd get all active members who wanted to take part in a numeric scale answer quiz and average it out.
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    From a member of the party that's switched leader half way through an election, your missing a pretty crucial practical flaw in that plan.

    Besides the absurdity of putting that much emphasis in the hands of the leader under a PR system.
    It would be in some ways more accurate than vague manifestos with no repercussions for not matching them.

    I was Prime Minister at the time, I couldn't exactly resign during term.
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    From a member of the party that's switched leader half way through an election, your missing a pretty crucial practical flaw in that plan.

    Besides the absurdity of putting that much emphasis in the hands of the leader under a PR system.
    I disagree with the first part as it would seem from the way Ray has handled the responses it would seem that he's at least been acting Labour leader for the election campaign given that TBM announced before the election was called that he wouldn't be leading Labour in the next parliament.

    A leaders debate would be good for the election, maybe a thread where only the party leaders are able to reply?
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    It would be in some ways more accurate than vague manifestos with no repercussions for not matching them.

    I was Prime Minister at the time, I couldn't exactly resign during term.
    You could, looking at the wikis previous prime ministers have done it. There's also a real life precedent; Blair, Thatcher, Wilson etc
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    Could you please elaborate on this?
    Reference to Real-Life Labour I'm assuming, not TSR Labour.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    I wonder what the vote swing will be now that the majority of parties have a monarchy reference in them now?
    (Original post by RayApparently)
    It could go either way. I think the Tories have done themselves more harm than good tbh.
    The pro/anti Monarchy feelings split almost completely along the L/R lines. Very few Tories will also be republicans and vice-versa for the socialists. It is however Labour and the Liberals (IMO) that have the most to lose, the Liberals because they tend to get quite a few LW votes, and Labour because in RL they are seen as a more moderate left-wing party than the other two, and hence get more moderate votes. That is in my mind where the effect will be felt, the Liberals will pick up these votes due to being seen as marginally left-wing (and not the effing Tories) and by keeping a relatively ambiguous position on the Monarchy in their manifesto.
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    You could, looking at the wikis previous prime ministers have done it. There's also a real life precedent; Blair, Thatcher,
    True, had discussed with Ray beforehand however so he fulfilled as Acting for a few days, no problems as far as I saw.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Ouch. Below the belt much, I don't bang on about tuition fees do I? One, this is TSR Labour - RL Labour isn't even a Republican party. Two, Tony Blair was recently evicted from the TSR Labour Party in a weird parting motion by James222.

    A Republican who just said they're voting for a party because its a republican party is likely to prefer that party over one that isn't a republican party. Its not difficult.
    We're not Lib Dems, as evidenced by the fact we actually oppose plenty of their record in Government. May I ask, if you are so very different to the RL Labour Party - why is it you are still happy to share their name? Nice stunt on Tony Blair although you can't expect us to know that, but I'd wager he carried the support of most of the party - the issues were not all about this one individual leader!

    Maybe that's true for that one republican. But there will be plenty of others comings along, reading and voting. And perhaps some of them believe the a democratic, yellow, liberal future is a brighter one for us all

    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Cheers for that. Makes interesting reading considering how individual Liberals voted in the Monarchy Bill division.


    With regards to a time frame how long would a government or parliament be bound to honour the result of a referendum? And while were on referendums, what would be Liberal plans to introduce the proposed referendum by petition policy?
    No worries! The current proposal I've drawn up suggests four terms - in line with the current period where a second referendum is not allowed - but I think we'd honestly look for the House's consensus on that. What's important is that we reach a consensus and apply it rather than having one standard for the EU debate and another for the Monarchy, not exactly what number we reach.

    The vision is that members or general TSR users could submit petitions as at present, but that rather than being voted on by MPs petitions with a certain number of signatures would trigger a referendum, bypassing the wishes of Parliament. It'd mean that people could have their say where they disagree with the Government of the day on an important matter, even if they are in favour of said Government's overall record and willing to vote for them regardless

    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    Could you please elaborate on this?
    It's an example of an issue where some Republican may disagree with Labour - their invasions of Iraw and Afghanistan and, as of tonight, Milliband's support for action in Syria.

    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Absolutely, but realistically you couldn't make an accessible quiz where all voters read each one.
    Why not take party averages such as with the political compass? Aside from the issues of trying to reduce entire political ideologies to something so simple it seems to make it very leader-centric when we're elected a Parliament, not a President.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    True, had discussed with Ray beforehand however so he fulfilled as Acting for a few days, no problems as far as I saw.
    To be honest if I was Prime Minister and the luxury of calling an election whenever I wanted I'd do it ten minutes after the state opening of parliament for the lulz.
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    (Original post by Cryptographic)
    The pro/anti Monarchy feelings split almost completely along the L/R lines. Very few Tories will also be republicans and vice-versa for the socialists. It is however Labour and the Liberals (IMO) that have the most to lose, the Liberals because they tend to get quite a few LW votes, and Labour because in RL they are seen as a more moderate left-wing party than the other two, and hence get more moderate votes. That is in my mind where the effect will be felt, the Liberals will pick up these votes due to being seen as marginally left-wing (and not the effing Tories) and by keeping a relatively ambiguous position on the Monarchy in their manifesto.
    Should be interesting to see, hopefully it isn't only a Labour v Liberal thing, but yes, I suppose it isn't really a big issue for Tories to lose non-monarchists
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    We're not Lib Dems, as evidenced by the fact we actually oppose plenty of their record in Government. May I ask, if you are so very different to the RL Labour Party - why is it you are still happy to share their name? Nice stunt on Tony Blair although you can't expect us to know that, but I'd wager he carried the support of most of the party - the issues were not all about this one individual leader!

    Maybe that's true for that one republican. But there will be plenty of others comings along, reading and voting. And perhaps some of them believe the a democratic, yellow, liberal future is a brighter one for us all



    No worries! The current proposal I've drawn up suggests four terms - in line with the current period where a second referendum is not allowed - but I think we'd honestly look for the House's consensus on that. What's important is that we reach a consensus and apply it rather than having one standard for the EU debate and another for the Monarchy, not exactly what number we reach.

    The vision is that members or general TSR users could submit petitions as at present, but that rather than being voted on by MPs petitions with a certain number of signatures would trigger a referendum, bypassing the wishes of Parliament. It'd mean that people could have their say where they disagree with the Government of the day on an important matter, even if they are in favour of said Government's overall record and willing to vote for them regardless



    It's an example of an issue where some Republican may disagree with Labour - their invasions of Iraw and Afghanistan and, as of tonight, Milliband's support for action in Syria.



    Why not take party averages such as with the political compass? Aside from the issues of trying to reduce entire political ideologies to something so simple it seems to make it very leader-centric when we're elected a Parliament, not a President.
    The Blair one was a bit bizarre, I'm sure RL would love to have him right now. Could do that, funny enough though I imagine that it still would be too similar, 3 on right, 3 on left and you maybe 60/40
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    No worries! The current proposal I've drawn up suggests four terms - in line with the current period where a second referendum is not allowed - but I think we'd honestly look for the House's consensus on that. What's important is that we reach a consensus and apply it rather than having one standard for the EU debate and another for the Monarchy, not exactly what number we reach.

    The vision is that members or general TSR users could submit petitions as at present, but that rather than being voted on by MPs petitions with a certain number of signatures would trigger a referendum, bypassing the wishes of Parliament. It'd mean that people could have their say where they disagree with the Government of the day on an important matter, even if they are in favour of said Government's overall record and willing to vote for them regardless

    Out of interest, given how relatively few aren't regularly involved in the HoC enough do you think there'd be appetite enough for a peoples referendum to be called, and how many signatories do you think would be necessary?
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Should be interesting to see, hopefully it isn't only a Labour v Liberal thing, but yes, I suppose it isn't really a big issue for Tories to lose non-monarchists
    Yeah, I am expecting the main movement to be away from Labour and Socialists to Conservatives (lesser extent UKIP&Liberals as well). The manifesto ordering will swing at least one seat from you to us I reckon.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Out of interest, given how relatively few aren't regularly involved in the HoC enough do you think there'd be appetite enough for a peoples referendum to be called, and how many signatories do you think would be necessary?
    I think there would be, especially as you could advertise it in debates in the UK Politics forum - major issues seem to come up pretty often there, so it could even attract new members to the House. I think we'd have to experiment a bit just to judge interest - I'd be aiming for hard but not impossible so we'd avoid having too many and causing electoral burnout, aiming for a referendum per term or so to pass. Off the top of my head 50 may be a good place to start, but we'd have to look at how that went and adjust if necessary. I'm pretty sure there'd be a real appetite for it on controversial issues such as the monarchy, the EU and even same-sex marriage.
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    They should leave this poll open during voting to make things more exciting.
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    It's an example of an issue where some Republican may disagree with Labour... as of tonight, Milliband's support for action in Syria.
    In what sense (if it were to go ahead) could that be described as an "illegal and inhumane foreign crusade"? :hmmm:
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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    In what sense (if it were to go ahead) could that be described as an "illegal and inhumane foreign crusade"? :hmmm:
    More thinking of Iraq there!
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    Glory to the Greens! I've been away over the past few days with some RL matters but if you have any questions that haven't been answered already then feel free to ask. Going to trawl through the pages when I'm back from uni today.
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    We're not Lib Dems, as evidenced by the fact we actually oppose plenty of their record in Government. May I ask, if you are so very different to the RL Labour Party - why is it you are still happy to share their name? Nice stunt on Tony Blair although you can't expect us to know that, but I'd wager he carried the support of most of the party - the issues were not all about this one individual leader!

    Maybe that's true for that one republican. But there will be plenty of others comings along, reading and voting. And perhaps some of them believe the a democratic, yellow, liberal future is a brighter one for us all
    We shouldn't have to change our name - we're Labour, not New Labour. Simples.
    The Stop the War coalition was presided over by Labour MP Tony Benn. The expenses scandal was pre-warned by Labour MP Tony Wright - we're defined by far more than just one of our Tonys.
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    May I ask when the mass PM will be sent out, or is that something to be asked in ATS
 
 
 
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