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    TSR Conservative & Unionist Party
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    157
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    57
    9.12%
    TSR UKIP
    88
    14.08%
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    58
    9.28%
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Why would it still lack the mandate? The parties all have made declarations as to what they have done?

    Would you back a 2 question referendum as I suggested earlier in the thread?

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    People cast their vote based on many different policies, their can be no guarantee that a vote for Labour or the Socialists is a vote for a republic. The only true test of opinion in my mind is a referendum. We do not see another Lab/Soc government as a vote for a British republic.

    Would you not agree with me that the only fair way to sort this is to hold a referendum and that the government should have done this in the first place?

    What was your proposed 2 question referendum?
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    I would consider backing a referendum again only if the monarchy was reinstated in the intervening period and the exact power the president would have were laid out in the event of a 'No' vote. The question as last time should simply be 'Do you wish to retain the monarchy'.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I would consider backing a referendum again only if the monarchy was reinstated in the intervening period and the exact power the president would have were laid out in the event of a 'No' vote. The question as last time should simply be 'Do you wish to retain the monarchy'.
    So apparently you were anti-monarchy?

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2002117

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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    A very quiet general election I must say so far:



    Quick question, do you believe that this is within the spirit of the rules? If parties are subject to a 270 word manifesto shouldn't you be looking at honouring that? Even if what you are doing is technically correct.



    Looking through this




    What is there in this which an impartial president couldn't do?
    This came up before in another election thread where the greens or socialists did the exact same thing.

    It isn't mentioned in the rules.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Nice to know where we stand. :rolleyes:
    Inbox is full again.
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    (Original post by nebelbon)
    This came up before in another election thread where the greens or socialists did the exact same thing.

    It isn't mentioned in the rules.
    Didn't say it was but do you think it's the right way to behave when an active party member admitted you had to realize that using underhand tactics wasn't going to help TSR UKIP/


    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I would consider backing a referendum again only if the monarchy was reinstated in the intervening period and the exact power the president would have were laid out in the event of a 'No' vote. The question as last time should simply be 'Do you wish to retain the monarchy'.
    What would be the point of repealing a bill and abolishing a republic when just weeks later another abolishing the monarchy again?
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Didn't say it was but do you think it's the right way to behave when an active party member admitted you had to realize that using underhand tactics wasn't going to help TSR UKIP/

    What would be the point of repealing a bill and abolishing a republic when just weeks later another abolishing the monarchy again?
    The bill making provision for a referendum would also contain the provisions of what would happen if the result was against the monarchy, ergo no other bill needed.
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    Not liking the Tory stance on immigration. They're attacking asylum seekers when the real problem is that we have open doors to 27 countries, of which 12 have less than half our GDP per capita.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    Not liking the Tory stance on immigration. They're attacking asylum seekers when the real problem is that we have open doors to 27 countries, of which 12 have less than half our GDP per capita.
    The message here is the same as in real life, you can't trust the Tories, vote UKIP.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The bill making provision for a referendum would also contain the provisions of what would happen if the result was against the monarchy, ergo no other bill needed.
    Yes, but why abolish a republic only to reinstate it weeks later? Would it not make more sense to hold the referendum and act upon the wishes of the said referendum rather than second guessing the result which could mean egg on face time?
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Good luck Matt Lowson
    Cheers
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Yes, but why abolish a republic only to reinstate it weeks later? Would it not make more sense to hold the referendum and act upon the wishes of the said referendum rather than second guessing the result which could mean egg on face time?
    Because i'm confident the electorate will retain them.

    No, since we may not be able to hold it straight away we'd either have no head of state or have to elect a president who may only be around a few weeks.
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    (Original post by clh_hilary)
    So apparently you were anti-monarchy?

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=2002117

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    More neutral but support affirmation. In the main, i have no great love for tradition but equally do not want a president (i like power being with the PM like now - and being able to use the Royal Prerogative).

    It was actually i that pushed that referendum of affirmation.

    What i'm against now is more the fact that the left have crapped over referenda in the Mhoc.
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    (Original post by ukip72)
    People cast their vote based on many different policies, their can be no guarantee that a vote for Labour or the Socialists is a vote for a republic. The only true test of opinion in my mind is a referendum. We do not see another Lab/Soc government as a vote for a British republic.

    Would you not agree with me that the only fair way to sort this is to hold a referendum and that the government should have done this in the first place?

    What was your proposed 2 question referendum?
    I agree that a referendum would solve the issue but since the abolition has become arguably the hot topic of this election - plus the fact that the government have made no attempt to deny that they introduced a republic against the wishes of the people does mean if they did gain seats as a result, and lets be honest so far, more have declared voting for the government parties due to the right being pro-monarchy than the other way around


    The two question referendum would be along these lines (the final questions would be consulted with parties if I'm elected an MP)

    Question 1
    The Model House of Commons for Great Britain and Northern Ireland is presently governed as a Republic with a President as Head of State. Should the Model House of Commons adopt a system of government where a Monarch is Head of State?

    Yes

    or

    No

    Question 2
    In the event of a vote in favour of a republic, the nation of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will be either a Presidential republic or Constitutional Republic. Please vote for which system you would like the the republic to use.

    Presidential Republic with the an executive President Directly Elected by the People serving as Head of State and Head of Government

    or

    Constitutional Republic with a "ceremonial" President who is Elected by Parliament serving as Head of State.




    Question 2
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    I agree that a referendum would solve the issue but since the abolition has become arguably the hot topic of this election - plus the fact that the government have made no attempt to deny that they introduced a republic against the wishes of the people does mean if they did gain seats as a result, and lets be honest so far, more have declared voting for the government parties due to the right being pro-monarchy than the other way around


    The two question referendum would be along these lines (the final questions would be consulted with parties if I'm elected an MP)

    Question 1
    The Model House of Commons for Great Britain and Northern Ireland is presently governed as a Republic with a President as Head of State. Should the Model House of Commons adopt a system of government where a Monarch is Head of State?

    Yes

    or

    No

    Question 2
    In the event of a vote in favour of a republic, the nation of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will be either a Presidential republic or Constitutional Republic. Please vote for which system you would like the the republic to use.

    Presidential Republic with the an executive President Directly Elected by the People serving as Head of State and Head of Government

    or

    Constitutional Republic with a "ceremonial" President who is Elected by Parliament serving as Head of State.




    Question 2
    My position is clear: what the previous government did is utterly wrong and undemocratic, there is no mandate for a republic until a referendum is held.

    As for the 2 questions, the first I obviously agree with, as for the second I don't see the need for changing our system of government completely. Parliamentary democracy works in Britain and has done for many years, I don't see that there would be much desire for change anyway.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    I agree that a referendum would solve the issue but since the abolition has become arguably the hot topic of this election - plus the fact that the government have made no attempt to deny that they introduced a republic against the wishes of the people does mean if they did gain seats as a result, and lets be honest so far, more have declared voting for the government parties due to the right being pro-monarchy than the other way around


    The two question referendum would be along these lines (the final questions would be consulted with parties if I'm elected an MP)

    Question 1
    The Model House of Commons for Great Britain and Northern Ireland is presently governed as a Republic with a President as Head of State. Should the Model House of Commons adopt a system of government where a Monarch is Head of State?

    Yes

    or

    No

    Question 2
    In the event of a vote in favour of a republic, the nation of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will be either a Presidential republic or Constitutional Republic. Please vote for which system you would like the the republic to use.

    Presidential Republic with the an executive President Directly Elected by the People serving as Head of State and Head of Government

    or

    Constitutional Republic with a "ceremonial" President who is Elected by Parliament serving as Head of State.




    Question 2
    How about an option for a republic without a president?
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    I'm not keen on yes/no questions in referendums as a rule.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    I'm not sure it's a committal to reintroducing the monarchy at all costs but I think in many cases it's a commitment to seek the will of the people on the matter.

    What is the point in holding a referendum and going through those channels if at the end of the government are going to just say that a referendum is no longer required (when the vote goes the way they didn't like)
    If this were real life and real people had voted in a real referendum, I'd agree with your point. But TSR referendums are not about seeking the will of the people, they're about advertising the MHoC to a wider TSR audience. Nobody is affected by our legislation, so to say that the current House can't pass a bill because two years ago, a few hundred people clicked on a poll and gave a contrary opinion is quite ridiculous.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    Not liking the Tory stance on immigration. They're attacking asylum seekers when the real problem is that we have open doors to 27 countries, of which 12 have less than half our GDP per capita.
    I thought that the problem was that if you kept a dog or a cat it could be used as a way of staying in the country. Even if the cat has a passport.

    On the referendum question over the monarchy, I will not be a member of the House that decides whether or not to have one. If the result of this (referendum or not) is that there is an elected President, and the post is largely ceremonial as per the Act passed by the nineteenth Parliament, I will put myself forward as a candidate.

    As for the previous referendum, remember it was four parliaments or 20 years ago in MHofC time.
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    How about an option for a republic without a president?
    How does that work, all republics have a president of sorts so yeah
 
 
 
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