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  • View Poll Results: Cast your vote in the TSR General Election:
    TSR Conservative & Unionist Party
    104
    16.64%
    TSR Green Party
    157
    25.12%
    TSR Liberal Party
    57
    9.12%
    TSR UKIP
    88
    14.08%
    TSR Socialist Party
    58
    9.28%
    Matthew_Lowson, Independent
    14
    2.24%
    TSR Labour Party
    109
    17.44%
    TSR Libertarian Party
    20
    3.20%
    Spoilt Ballot
    18
    2.88%

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    (Original post by TheCrackInTime)
    If this were real life and real people had voted in a real referendum, I'd agree with your point. But TSR referendums are not about seeking the will of the people, they're about advertising the MHoC to a wider TSR audience. Nobody is affected by our legislation, so to say that the current House can't pass a bill because two years ago, a few hundred people clicked on a poll and gave a contrary opinion is quite ridiculous.
    So long as you have the same opinion when UKIP introduce a law to remove GB from the EU then so be it. All I will say is that people cannot say a referendum from 2 and a half years ago must be honoured, as Birchington said "the people have spoken you'll have to accept that" but then a newer referendum is free to be ignored.
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    How about an option for a republic without a president?
    That sounds good, we have RL Precedent in that regard regarding Cromwell as Lord Protector



    And they even offered him the crown
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    (Original post by superunknown17)
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    Just looking through your manifesto, out of interest what form would the constitutional convention take and what issues would it explore?
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    So long as you have the same opinion when UKIP introduce a law to remove GB from the EU then so be it.
    I can't imagine that'd change my view. I would hope that if UKIP do introduce such a bill, the debate would focus on whether leaving the EU is a good idea or not, rather than just being a few pages of people arguing for a referendum on the matter.

    All I will say is that people cannot say a referendum from 2 and a half years ago must be honoured, as Birchington said "the people have spoken you'll have to accept that" but then a newer referendum is free to be ignored.
    I completely agree. My personal view is that the House shouldn't be compelled to honour any referendum result, once the term it was held in is over.
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    (Original post by TheCrackInTime)
    I can't imagine that'd change my view. I would hope that if UKIP do introduce such a bill, the debate would focus on whether leaving the EU is a good idea or not, rather than just being a few pages of people arguing for a referendum on the matter.
    I can assure you, voting for us would be the case of we introduce a bill, setting out a referendum, then the result of that goes!

    We will not argue for a referendum, we will have one and see what the people want.

    Vote for the right choice. Vote for UKIP!
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    I thought that the problem was that if you kept a dog or a cat it could be used as a way of staying in the country. Even if the cat has a passport.

    On the referendum question over the monarchy, I will not be a member of the House that decides whether or not to have one. If the result of this (referendum or not) is that there is an elected President, and the post is largely ceremonial as per the Act passed by the nineteenth Parliament, I will put myself forward as a candidate.

    As for the previous referendum, remember it was four parliaments or 20 years ago in MHofC time.
    Regardless of the time difference, it remains an issue to be decided by the people. A direct mandate should be sought for such an enormous constitutional change. It sets a shoddy precedent, and I can only imagine that should this vote return a Eurosceptic majority, we'll see a 'leave the EU' bill forced through on similar terms. Referenda are good for the house and good for the game, and bypassing them like this will damage the MHoC in the long term
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    (Original post by Faland)
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    Do you lot not do Spoilt Ballots any more?
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    As for the previous referendum, remember it was four parliaments or 20 years ago in MHofC time
    Yes, members have said that a few times and I agree they have a point (with the EU referendum bill of late 2012 I argued the same point), but the EU referendum was older than the four parliament length of time people have highlighted yet we've got much the same members arguing that that result needs to be honoured as that's what the outcome of the referendum was.
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    Anybody have any questions for us?
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    Mr Speaker, is it still your intention to extend the election or let the result lie.
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    There is a massive problem with not having a spoil-ballot option. People will likely vote for someone they didn't intend to vote for because there was no option of a spoil-ballot.

    A best of a bad bunch scenario, this will skew the results heavily. Also, no mass PM?
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    so is this going to be the worst turnout ever then?
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    so is this going to be the worst turnout ever then?
    It should pick up a bit when the mass PM goes out... hopefully.
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    (Original post by nebelbon)
    It should pick up a bit when the mass PM goes out... hopefully.
    With two days to go I genuinely think that should be an "if the mass PM goes out" unfortunately.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    With two days to go I genuinely think that should be an "if the mass PM goes out" unfortunately.
    Faland did say in his speaker's chamber post yesterday that it was coming. It is out of his control really. I would have thought our new MHOC section leaders would have pressed the issue harder.
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    (Original post by nebelbon)
    There is a massive problem with not having a spoil-ballot option. People will likely vote for someone they didn't intend to vote for because there was no option of a spoil-ballot.

    A best of a bad bunch scenario, this will skew the results heavily. Also, no mass PM?
    It will have next to no effect on results, spoilt ballot is consistently around 3% so if it splits proportionally to the normal election it's only worth 1% to the Labour and Tory parties, no more than 1 seat.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It will have next to no effect on results, spoilt ballot is consistently around 3% so if it splits proportionally to the normal election it's only worth 1% to the Labour and Tory parties, no more than 1 seat.
    Fair enough.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It will have next to no effect on results, spoilt ballot is consistently around 3% so if it splits proportionally to the normal election it's only worth 1% to the Labour and Tory parties, no more than 1 seat.
    That one seat could mean the difference between being in a coalition government or not being in one
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    (Original post by Ruitker)
    That one seat could mean the difference between being in a coalition government or not being in one
    Well said my friend


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    Let us not be Reckless about anything, unlike the MP for Rochester.
 
 
 
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