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    58
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    (Original post by O133)
    There are draft amendments in the Abolition Act, but we are required to follow a different procedure to actually get them in the GD/Constitution.

    No more undemocratic than to not allow the people to vote on their pensions, taxes, healthcare, military, foreign affairs etc. This is a representative democracy, Parliament makes the decisions, they don't all go to referendum.
    Thank you for clarifying.

    Aye, Parliament do make the decisions and we are a representative democracy. However, let's be honest with each other: the monarchy isn't the same. The monarchy has been a part of our constitution for a thousand years and I believe that the people should have a vote on it before it's abolished.

    The fact that the previous government doesn't believe that is already disgusting. I'm thankful that the monarchy is here in order to stop you lot becoming head of state - it's horrible.
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    (Original post by InfernoPlato)
    Thank you for clarifying.

    Aye, Parliament do make the decisions and we are a representative democracy. However, let's be honest with each other: the monarchy isn't the same. The monarchy has been a part of our constitution for a thousand years and I believe that the people should have a vote on it before it's abolished.

    The fact that the previous government doesn't believe that is already disgusting. I'm thankful that the monarchy is here in order to stop you lot becoming head of state - it's horrible.
    You'd rather have an un-elected head of state, than elected? Strange.
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    (Original post by InfernoPlato)
    Thank you for clarifying.

    Aye, Parliament do make the decisions and we are a representative democracy. However, let's be honest with each other: the monarchy isn't the same. The monarchy has been a part of our constitution for a thousand years and I believe that the people should have a vote on it before it's abolished.

    The fact that the previous government doesn't believe that is already disgusting. I'm thankful that the monarchy is here in order to stop you lot becoming head of state - it's horrible.
    And to add the TSR Socialists, TSR Labour and TSR Greens all previously opposed a bill on an EU referendum on the grounds the people voted to stay in when we held one four years ago.


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    (Original post by InfernoPlato)
    Thank you for clarifying.

    Aye, Parliament do make the decisions and we are a representative democracy. However, let's be honest with each other: the monarchy isn't the same. The monarchy has been a part of our constitution for a thousand years and I believe that the people should have a vote on it before it's abolished.

    The fact that the previous government doesn't believe that is already disgusting. I'm thankful that the monarchy is here in order to stop you lot becoming head of state - it's horrible.
    Considering the first referendum was in 1973 (and on the much heftier question of the sovereignty of Northern Ireland) then they're not a given for constitutional change (and it's not like we only became a democracy in the 70s either). Only this week did I see calls to bypass a proposed referendum on devolved taxation powers in Wales.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    And to add the TSR Socialists, TSR Labour and TSR Greens all opposed a bill on an EU referendum

    The reason: The people voted to stay in.

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    Certain members of the Socialists, Labour and Greens opposed an EU referendum on the previous vote, others because they support us staying in and don't see a need to call that into question.

    Would you have voted for an abolition referendum?
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    (Original post by KevK92)
    You'd rather have an un-elected head of state, than elected? Strange.
    Is it really that strange that I would want a head of state which is unbiased and can represent the UK on the world stage because of their fame?


    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    And to add the TSR Socialists, TSR Labour and TSR Greens all previously opposed a bill on an EU referendum on the grounds the people voted to stay in when we held one four years ago.
    If they don't hold one on the monarchy, what would they hold a referendum on?


    (Original post by O133)
    Considering the first referendum was in 1973 (and on the much heftier question of the sovereignty of Northern Ireland) then they're not a given for constitutional change (and it's not like we only became a democracy in the 70s either). Only this week did I see calls to bypass a proposed referendum on devolved taxation powers in Wales.
    What has that got to do with bypassing a referendum on the monarchy? Are you actually trying to justify not putting the question of the monarchy to the people?
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    (Original post by InfernoPlato)
    If they don't hold one on the monarchy, what would they hold a referendum on?
    Something that actually seriously affected people's daily lives, like independence.

    What has that got to do with bypassing a referendum on the monarchy? Are you actually trying to justify not putting the question of the monarchy to the people?
    I don't feel a referendum was necessary. And in any case, seeing as site management refused us the opportunity to have a Scottish independence referendum (which would have used up the referendum quota for last term), there's no guarantee we would have been able to have one.
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    (Original post by InfernoPlato)
    Is it really that strange that I would want a head of state which is unbiased and can represent the UK on the world stage because of their fame?
    Definitely. If it's an elected head of state, then the majority will be represented by him or her. The majority that voted for them, of course. I realise there can be disagreements between voting systems, however, some democracy is better than none. I for one, don't feel represented by Lizzie.
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    (Original post by KevK92)
    Definitely. If it's an elected head of state, then the majority will be represented by him or her. The majority that voted for them, of course. I realise there can be disagreements between voting systems, however, some democracy is better than none. I for one, don't feel represented by Lizzie.
    The plan is to have it indirectly elected by MPs, you will feel no more represented than you do currently by DC.


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    (Original post by O133)
    Something that actually seriously affected people's daily lives, like independence.
    I thought you said we lived in a representative democracy where Parliament decide on matters such as pensions and education. If you say that you would offer a referendum on things which would seriously affect peoples lives, surely you must also include things such as education and pensions - which DO seriously affect peoples lives.

    (Original post by KevK92)
    Definitely. If it's an elected head of state, then the majority will be represented by him or her. The majority that voted for them, of course. I realise there can be disagreements between voting systems, however, some democracy is better than none. I for one, don't feel represented by Lizzie.
    You know, if a referendum was held you might have seen that a majority in fact supported Elizabeth II rather than a politician.
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    (Original post by O133)
    Certain members of the Socialists, Labour and Greens opposed an EU referendum on the previous vote, others because they support us staying in and don't see a need to call that into question.

    Would you have voted for an abolition referendum?
    Absolutely. Voted for it last time. I used the 2 year argument surrounding the EU referendum so would have been hypocritical to block one on those grounds

    You convinced me that for the purposes of the game a republic may work but it doesn't negate the fact some of your members showed contempt for the electorate in ignoring the results of the referendum and comments made


    You made one fundamental floor with that bill. One the opposition cannot wait to exploit. For your sake it'd be good for your parties to spot it

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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    I hope people realise that Fascism and Socialism are basically the same, the political spectrum is a circle and Fascism and Socialism are on top of each other

    The Socialist party may as well be called the Fascist party Bloody Fascists :fuhrer:
    The Socialists here are Libertarian. NK doesn't even meet the basic standards for a socialist society. It's essentially a fascist state. No, it's literally a fascist state, running big business. Socialism ought to foster lateral power, free from capitalist-style minority rule and open to democratic, collaborative and localised control so people can dictate their own affairs. I’m sure this socialist party isn’t quite on board but the (Collaborative) Commons offers an alternative to market and state, utilising both their strengths whilst decoupled from most of their weaknesses.
    Cameron of the Tories endorsed Jeremy Rifkin’s Third Industrial Revolution master plan, which underlines the transition to a society more oriented around the Commons.

    No, the political spectrum isn't a circle http://theboxpop.files.wordpress.com...l-spectrum.jpg and libertarianism and anarchism were traditionally anti-capitalist but the word has been distorted in the US since the 70's/80's.
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    I'm surprised so many were eager to vote for policies trying to devolve power and responsibility to local councils/MPs as more and more are being shown to fail and not be truly representative
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    (Original post by Yeah dude)
    I don't even... What even is a Tories? Is it a style of building?
    The party that is the reason you exist. Tories became Conservative Party in the 1800's.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The party that is the reason you exist. Tories became Conservative Party in the 1800's.
    Oh, thanks for clarifying I'm still getting the hang of british politics


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    Since Europe has popped up I may as well ask all the parties to clarify their feelings/policies towards the EU

    We (Socialist party) don't have a formal party stance with members holding a variety of views: Further in, status quo, out, delayed out and unsure.
 
 
 
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