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  • View Poll Results: Cast your vote in the TSR General Election:
    TSR Conservative & Unionist Party
    104
    16.64%
    TSR Green Party
    157
    25.12%
    TSR Liberal Party
    57
    9.12%
    TSR UKIP
    88
    14.08%
    TSR Socialist Party
    58
    9.28%
    Matthew_Lowson, Independent
    14
    2.24%
    TSR Labour Party
    109
    17.44%
    TSR Libertarian Party
    20
    3.20%
    Spoilt Ballot
    18
    2.88%

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    (Original post by InfernoPlato)
    I thought you said we lived in a representative democracy where Parliament decide on matters such as pensions and education. If you say that you would offer a referendum on things which would seriously affect peoples lives, surely you must also include things such as education and pensions - which DO seriously affect peoples lives.
    Not to the extent that independence from the UK or devolution would. That's changing the very framework of how and where the decisions are made, not just who signs the bills off at the end of the decision-making process or what the decision is.
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Since Europe has popped up I may as well ask all the parties to clarify their feelings/policies towards the EU

    We (Socialist party) don't have a formal party stance with members holding a variety of views: Further in, status quo, out, delayed out and unsure.
    In, in, in with more collaboration please. I'm not opposed to the Tory proposal of raising the minimum GDP to join though, that should help the collaboration go more smoothly and resolve some of the tension over economic migration.

    EDIT: That's just my stance by the way, although Labour's is pretty similar, if maybe not so eager for more EU powers.
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    Anyone but bloody UKIP.
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    (Original post by TheWiseSalmon)
    Anyone but bloody UKIP.
    Can I tempt you towards the Liberals?
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    (Original post by Green_Pink)
    Can I tempt you towards the Liberals?
    No need, voted liberal before I even commented.
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    (Original post by TheWiseSalmon)
    No need, voted liberal before I even commented.
    Fantastic, thanks for your support If you want to get involved further feel free to message me about potentially joining the party
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    Vote Labour, obviously!
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    (Original post by james2012uk)
    Vote Labour, obviously!
    Can I persuade you into joining?
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    Vote for the Independent Voice to ensure your vote completely counts.

    Vote for the independent voice to receive a referendum on sovereignty, a better education system, an end to the politicizing our police force, a fair wage for all, the right to remove your member of parliament, to preserve the right to strike and the chance to have a genuine discussion about how to improve our relationship with the EU
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    Love how signatures and images are getting bigger as the campaign hots up
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    We Tories have no official stance on the EU. Internal polling has shown a roughly even split between those who want to stay in or leave (albeit i'm sure we'd all support certain reforms).

    For any voters on the EU issue, it's worth noting that while the other parties have done nothing, we Tories withdrew from the common fisheries policy which had decimated our fishing stock.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Vote for the Independent Voice to ensure your vote completely counts.

    Vote for the independent voice to receive a referendum on sovereignty, a better education system, an end to the politicizing our police force, a fair wage for all, the right to remove your member of parliament, to preserve the right to strike and the chance to have a genuine discussion about how to improve our relationship with the EU
    All things arguably unachievable without the backing of parties...
    I mean the lack of voter engagement with the MHoC means that saying a 'independent voice' will be more accountable to its electors is really a non-promise. It makes more sense to vote for an established party founded on policies you know and understand.

    None the less, I hope you take some Tory votes.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    All things arguably unachievable without the backing of parties...
    I mean the lack of voter engagement with the MHoC means that saying a 'independent voice' will be more accountable to its electors is really a non-promise. It makes more sense to vote for an established party founded on policies you know and understand.

    None the less, I hope you take some Tory votes.
    Nothing here is achievable unless you have the backing of those who you may not necessarily agree with all the time. What's the chances of your party gaining 26 seats on it's own in the election? None, so you're going to have to convince those who you may not have much time for to back what you're suggesting.

    An independent voice means that you don't need to have the parties fawning around pretending they can make a difference. An Independent MP the public can chuck out. A Party MP they can't. You can hide behind your name, an independent can't.

    If an MP I'll back legislation that's in the country's interest, and I'll oppose legislation which isn't.

    Labour aims at helping one group of people in society. The Conservatives want to help another. An independent voice allows people to make their voice heard and support policies for all. An independent doesn't seek to reward one and punish another, it seeks to help each member they work for.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
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    If we're talking about empty promises, isn't yours to set up a British Constitution one considering the TSR MHoC already has one?
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    If we're talking about empty promises, isn't yours to set up a British Constitution one considering the TSR MHoC already has one?
    No, it does a different job to one which would be predominantly for RL Britain.
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Nothing here is achievable unless you have the backing of those who you may not necessarily agree with all the time. What's the chances of your party gaining 26 seats on it's own in the election? None, so you're going to have to convince those who you may not have much time for to back what you're suggesting.
    Yes but that doesn't change the fact that a party is much, much more able to fulfil its promises.

    An independent voice means that you don't need to have the parties fawning around pretending they can make a difference. An Independent MP the public can chuck out. A Party MP they can't. You can hide behind your name, an independent can't.
    How do they chuck you out? You mean in 6 months time? There is very little accountability in the MHoC except for what is advertised. Parties, however, fall under much more scrutiny.

    If an MP I'll back legislation that's in the country's interest, and I'll oppose legislation which isn't.
    Glad to hear that.

    Labour aims at helping one group of people in society. The Conservatives want to help another. An independent voice allows people to make their voice heard and support policies for all. An independent doesn't seek to reward one and punish another, it seeks to help each member they work for.
    The RL Labour Party has been campaigning to appeal to the majority since 1945. TSR Labour follows suit. Labour always serves its electors.

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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    If we're talking about empty promises, isn't yours to set up a British Constitution one considering the TSR MHoC already has one?
    ...

    Please tell me you're joking. The MHoC has a constitution, Britain doesn't.

    (FYI the Labour Party already scrapped Police and Crime Commissioners)
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    (Original post by O133)
    No, it does a different job to one which would be predominantly for RL Britain.
    Then surely the right of recall is not as empty as your leader desperately tried to portray it as yesterday.


    The question I have is what's lurking behind the Red Curtains? It's often the case that it's not what goes in the 270 word Manifesto which is controversial but it's the plans that come out once the ballot box has gone away.

    So, outside of the manifeso, what other plans do you have?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Yes but that doesn't change the fact that a party is much, much more able to fulfil its promises.

    How do they chuck you out? You mean in 6 months time? There is very little accountability in the MHoC except for what is advertised. Parties, however, fall under much more scrutiny.

    Glad to hear that.

    The RL Labour Party has been campaigning to appeal to the majority since 1945. TSR Labour follows suit. Labour always serves its electors.

    I disagree that you need to support a party to get your legislation through. Yes, in the case of an independent you do need the support of a party but like I said, you can't just rely on 10 other Labour MPs to back your legislation to pass it can you?

    We'll have to agree to disagree regarding serving your electors I guess.


    Please tell me your joking. The MHoC has a constitution, Britain doesn't.
    So then to borrow the phrase you used in the thread surrounding the right to recall, its ideal in RL, but totally pointless on TSR so is it not a case that you're promising to do something you've already done or already had a big part in the consultations of which.


    Moving back to the republic, would you use the chance of a republic should it have public support to move for a root and branch relaunch of the TSR MHoC game?
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Then surely the right of recall is not as empty as your leader desperately tried to portray it as yesterday.
    Great idea in RL, not convinced on it here.

    The question I have is what's lurking behind the Red Curtains? It's often the case that it's not what goes in the 270 word Manifesto which is controversial but it's the plans that come out once the ballot box has gone away.

    So, outside of the manifeso, what other plans do you have?
    That in all honesty tends to be fairly organic, the ideas come along as and when, if they get support and traction then we go for them. We're transitioning as it is under Ray's leadership so we haven't done any comprehensive plan.
 
 
 
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