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    (Original post by Jarred)
    Do you not think it was rather arbitrary and against conventional economic wisdom to do so? Price controls very rarely achieve what they set out to do and the figure seemed to be randomly picked out of nowhere too :dontknow:
    Well I will admit that our severe lack of focus groups and reports mean we had to use our own experience to determine what fair deal would be.

    Also, its crucial to remember that school canteens tend to have a monopoly going on.

    Too bad James222 isn't around, I know he would have wanted to defend his brainchild.
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    In a world with Residents Income people don't need cars as cars are only necessary (as in necessary, not preferable) because people need them to commute to places of employment/study. With a sustenance allowance, being in employment would be a choice - a luxury per se - and thus a car becomes a luxury.

    With my (not a party policy yet) Sustenance Allowance proposal you would be able to calculate exactly how much it is.
    yes, how dare people want to better themselves/society by working & learning...so living is basically a luxury then? as someone who is disabled and unable to work or learn right now I can tell you it is about as far from a fullfilling life as you can get, I would love to be able to work or learn...as a person I feel trapped by my disabilities that I can't do either of these things. imo people should be able to better themselves by doing the work & learning that they want to do, this benefits society as well as it means people within that society have more skills & do more things that contribute to overall societal well being.
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    Tell me if I'm factually wrong, but why aren't the Greens decentralising powers to NI, if it's being done to Scotland and Wales? Just curious.

    Either way, I won't be voting for them. Obviously.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    yes, how dare people want to better themselves/society by working & learning...so living is basically a luxury then? as someone who is disabled and unable to work or learn right now I can tell you it is about as far from a fullfilling life as you can get, I would love to be able to work or learn...as a person I feel trapped by my disabilities that I can't do either of these things. imo people should be able to better themselves by doing the work & learning that they want to do, this benefits society as well as it means people within that society have more skills & do more things that contribute to overall societal well being.
    You can do that without a car, regardless of your dis(ability) status.
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    You can do that without a car, regardless of your dis(ability) status.
    not without well funded public transport & not without the financial ability to pay to use that transport.
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    A question for Labour

    You would like to "reform the Resident’s Income so that the Treasury doesn’t pay millionaires a second salary." Considering millionaires fund their lavish lifestyles through offshore companies for tax reasons, leaving personal income well below the tax-free bracket, is ensuring a minimum £8528 annual income for millionaires indirectly earning millions through their 100% owned company not a contradiction? The minimum annual income becomes their second salary.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    not without well funded public transport & not without the financial ability to pay to use that transport.
    Unless your paralysed there are ways and means. I'm open to the idea of a Disability Top-Up to the Sustenance Allowance, but the current culture of excessive money for various things should end.
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    Ah I'm late to the party. I'll post properly tomorrow but my initial thoughts are:

    - Tory manifesto is very radical, and a huge improvement on their last wishy washy one. Some proper Conservative policies in there which shocked me as I was expecting Westminster drivel. Very good.
    - The rest as expected, but I'm impressed by the Greens.
    - Liberals going for the core Libertarian vote as always.
    - Nice to see the Libertarians supporting the recent defence review.
    - People commenting that the Socialist one is radical, far left etc which is great - we're the Socialist party remember. Although the comparison to North Korea is, I hope, a joke.

    And of course, Vote Socialist! :hippie:
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    A question for Labour

    You would like to "reform the Resident’s Income so that the Treasury doesn’t pay millionaires a second salary." Considering millionaires fund their lavish lifestyles through offshore companies for tax reasons, leaving personal income well below the tax-free bracket, is ensuring a minimum £8528 annual income for millionaires indirectly earning millions through their 100% owned company not a contradiction? The minimum annual income becomes their second salary.
    We want to withdraw the RI from the millionaires.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    not without well funded public transport & not without the financial ability to pay to use that transport.
    I agree with Mr Macho here. You admit you can work to better yourself without a car provided you have the finances to pay to commute on public transport. That's like everyone else who works and relies on public transport to get to work. Why, being disabled, should you have a funded car, free parking, cheaper public transport yet everyone else shouldn't?
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    (Original post by O133)
    We want to withdraw the RI from the millionaires.
    The cost of doing this would be excessive and would defeat the whole point of simplified welfare.
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    (Original post by Ruitker)
    I agree with Mr Macho here. You admit you can work to better yourself without a car provided you have the finances to pay to commute on public transport. That's like everyone else who works and relies on public transport to get to work. Why, being disabled, should you have a funded car, free parking, cheaper public transport yet everyone else shouldn't?
    I am not arguing that I should? I don't btw, I have a bus pass...my point is that it's illogical to suggest that nobody needs a car when public transport is expensive & heavily under resourced & invested in, many places have very few or no transport links, other places people can't afford it...
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    I am not arguing that I should? I don't btw, I have a bus pass...my point is that it's illogical to suggest that nobody needs a car when public transport is expensive & heavily under resourced & invested in, many places have very few or no transport links, other places people can't afford it...
    Half the reason public transport is so expensive is the over-subsidised nature of it. A much more even keel could be achieved by taking away free bus passes for the elderly for instance.

    At the moment my local bus network is literally only used by under 16s getting to school for a pittance and over 65s who get on free and some commuters. Despite the fact the government pays most of the buses fares, the bus company still has to pay tax. This is illogical. It's the government paying itself money where tax could be reduced. The commuters have to pay high fares, so so called "special interest groups" get cheaper transport. By cutting taxes, everyone can have cheaper transport.
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    The cost of doing this would be excessive and would defeat the whole point of simplified welfare.
    How would it be excessive? Is that not similar to what happens in RL?
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    (Original post by O133)
    How would it be excessive? Is that not similar to what happens in RL?
    Basic income serves to end the bureaucracy and government expenditure associated with the current benefits system. It's a goodbye to that. You simply need to register someone's birth and a bank account for their income to go into and it's sorted. No millions of job centre staff, no need, no thousands of HMRC benefits advisory phone call people, no billions of civil servants calculating how much each of the trillion benefits is worth this year. As soon as you means test, you need staff and computer systems and government expenditure - the antithesis to what it was set up to do.
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    Half the reason public transport is so expensive is the over-subsidised nature of it. A much more even keel could be achieved by taking away free bus passes for the elderly for instance.

    At the moment my local bus network is literally only used by under 16s getting to school for a pittance and over 65s who get on free and some commuters. Despite the fact the government pays most of the buses fares, the bus company still has to pay tax. This is illogical. It's the government paying itself money where tax could be reduced. The commuters have to pay high fares, so so called "special interest groups" get cheaper transport. By cutting taxes, everyone can have cheaper transport.
    You invalidated your argument when you suggested removing free bus passes for elderly, most of those trips would simply be cancelled if they had to pay for public transport.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Did it urgently need to be done? I personally haven't experienced the problem.

    Am I glad that it was done? Yes.
    But do you believe that there is now a room to raise the cap (by a small amount mind) now a huge number of people this has benefited now have no worry about paying for meals now Universal FSM have been introduced?
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    Half the reason public transport is so expensive is the over-subsidised nature of it. A much more even keel could be achieved by taking away free bus passes for the elderly for instance.

    At the moment my local bus network is literally only used by under 16s getting to school for a pittance and over 65s who get on free and some commuters. Despite the fact the government pays most of the buses fares, the bus company still has to pay tax. This is illogical. It's the government paying itself money where tax could be reduced. The commuters have to pay high fares, so so called "special interest groups" get cheaper transport. By cutting taxes, everyone can have cheaper transport.
    And yes, trickle down economics has proved remarkably successful at transferring that pound you saved on train fares into the pockets of private railway firms
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    (Original post by Mattvr)
    Tell me if I'm factually wrong, but why aren't the Greens decentralising powers to NI, if it's being done to Scotland and Wales? Just curious.

    Either way, I won't be voting for them. Obviously.
    I think we should just dedicate a Govt position to NI Minister and me and Adam can wrestle over it.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    I think we should just dedicate a Govt position to NI Minister and me and Adam can wrestle over it.
    Someone's over confident that they'll be back in power....
 
 
 
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