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    TSR Conservative & Unionist Party
    104
    16.64%
    TSR Green Party
    157
    25.12%
    TSR Liberal Party
    57
    9.12%
    TSR UKIP
    88
    14.08%
    TSR Socialist Party
    58
    9.28%
    Matthew_Lowson, Independent
    14
    2.24%
    TSR Labour Party
    109
    17.44%
    TSR Libertarian Party
    20
    3.20%
    Spoilt Ballot
    18
    2.88%

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    (Original post by clh_hilary)
    The fact,which you conveniently ignored, was that the referendum you mentioned was carried out 20 years ago.

    The only argument you could have would be that then there should be another​ referendum, a new and up-to-date one, instead of having the current government to abide to it 20 years later.
    And I absolutely agree with that but since the government said a referendum result older than 20 TSR years ought to be honoured they cannot sury claim with a straight face its ok to ignore a newer referendum.

    Yes you argue it is socialist ideology to be a republic but I also thought it was part of the ideology to be democratic. How can the people be sovereign if you restrict their right to choose how they are governed in case they make the wrong choice?

    If Labour and the Greens increase their seat tallies then yes you have got a case but if the people support this as has been claimed what do the government have to lose?

    I've said if elected then I would write a bill so a referendum can be held to solve the matter.

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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    And I absolutely agree with that but since the government said a referendum result older than 20 TSR years ought to be honoured they cannot sury claim with a straight face its ok to ignore a newer referendum.

    Yes you argue it is socialist ideology to be a republic but I also thought it was part of the ideology to be democratic. How can the people be sovereign if you restrict their right to choose how they are governed in case they make the wrong choice?

    If Labour and the Greens increase their seat tallies then yes you have got a case but if the people support this as has been claimed what do the government have to lose?

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    The government said a referendum result older than 20 TSR years ought not to be honoured. We wouldn't ignore a newer referendum, we did not have a newer referendum. The government doesn't work as a direct democracy, having referendum to decide on everything; the government can for example look at the polls. Or as you said, bear the consequence of passing a bill disliked by the public.

    I did not say whether having a republic is socialist or not, I'm thinking you've mixed me up with someone else. In fact, it is irrelevant. Monarchies can also be socialist.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    we were all from parties whom are on the Left, no credible Left Wing party would support the monarchy so your point is rather pathetic at best.

    that is such a risible comment I wouldn't even dignify if with a response.

    when you have grown up & stopped having a pathetic childish hissy fit about this issue then talk to me, till then don't waste my time on this anymore thanks.

    I tried to be respectful but you clearly would rather be an ass so there you go.
    If you're going to attack my behaviour then remember you actively advocated a yes vote when a member said they'd consider leaving if the bill passed. An added bonus you described it as.

    If the government gets re-elected then you will have a case. I've said that from when the bill was put forward but what sort of sovereignty will people have when some government MPs believe that consulting the people is dangerous

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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    If you're going to attack my behaviour then remember you actively advocated a yes vote when a member said they'd consider leaving if the bill passed. An added bonus you described it as.

    If the government gets re-elected then you will have a case. I've said that from when the bill was put forward but what sort of sovereignty will people have when some government MPs believe that consulting the people is dangerous

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    if a Tory wants to act like a petulant child then yeah, I will say good riddance if they want to sulk off.

    our re-election or not isn't really relevant as we don't know on what basis TSR people vote. like I said, it's not because we don't wish to consult people, that's an absurd argument and you know it, we just think that people didn't need to be consulted on an issue at this time, something as I said most governments do on most issues most of the time, referendums in real life are even rarer than they are on here so your constant going on about this just makes you people look bitter over the fact legislation you don't like was passed, deal with it, christ I don't think I have ever seen anyone on the Left moan this much about some of the truly vile legislation other governments have passed on here or in real life.
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    (Original post by clh_hilary)
    The government said a referendum result older than 20 TSR years ought not to be honoured. We wouldn't ignore a newer referendum, we did not have a newer referendum. The government doesn't work as a direct democracy, having referendum to decide on everything; the government can for example look at the polls. Or as you said, bear the consequence of passing a bill disliked by the public.

    I did not say whether having a republic is socialist or not, I'm thinking you've mixed me up with someone else. In fact, it is irrelevant. Monarchies can also be socialist.
    However, constitutional matters should be decided by referenda as a matter of course. I'm going to work on a bill in that vein for when this charade is over.
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    To all parties. It's 2020 and your given a majority with a 10bn surplus available.

    What do you do?
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    (Original post by MrMacho)
    Why is turnout so low?Surely there should be many thousands of voters, given TSRs membership of over a million?
    We normally only have up to 1000 at most and the mass pm that goes to every TSR member has not been sent yet
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    To all parties. It's 2020 and your given a majority with a 10bn surplus available.

    What do you do?
    Take £9bn for myself and £1bn for expenses connected to being PM...
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    To all parties. It's 2020 and your given a majority with a 10bn surplus available.

    What do you do?
    If we've only just managed to get that surplus by 2020 then assuming no national crises and the economy is growing, I'd be using it to pay down what will by then be troublesome amounts of debt. Even Keynes advocated that approach in sunny times, and we'd likely be facing a very large interest bill which it'd be highly prudent to reduce while we could.
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    I voted TSR Labour.

    Conservatives and Liberals looked ok, until they mentioned they were pro-Monarchy.
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    (Original post by Jean-Luc Picard)
    if a Tory wants to act like a petulant child then yeah, I will say good riddance if they want to sulk off.

    our re-election or not isn't really relevant as we don't know on what basis TSR people vote. like I said, it's not because we don't wish to consult people, that's an absurd argument and you know it, we just think that people didn't need to be consulted on an issue at this time, something as I said most governments do on most issues most of the time, referendums in real life are even rarer than they are on here so your constant going on about this just makes you people look bitter over the fact legislation you don't like was passed, deal with it, christ I don't think I have ever seen anyone on the Left moan this much about some of the truly vile legislation other governments have passed on here or in real life.

    If you look carefully I'm not against a republic as I think it can work well on here (better than a monarchy). I voted for the last referendum and have provided suggestions about how we can make it work& have said it is a chance for a thorough relaunch.

    I remain opposed to the idea that we simply ignore referendums and act without mandates if we don't like outcomes. If Salmond or Sturgeon decided to go independent anyway after the events of they'd be slated.

    If you and Labour gain seats then you've some sort of hypothetical mandate but at the end of the day if the people are sovereign as you claimed in the bill they should decide!

    Anyway

    Next q. If it fell on you to make a decison about the presidency would you want it to be executive or non-executive?


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    (Original post by Law-Hopeful)
    I voted TSR Labour.

    Conservatives and Liberals looked ok, until they mentioned they were pro-Monarchy.
    The Party thanks you, and if you ever want to join the party (to get involved in the MHoC or to be eligible to vote in Leadership elections etc.) our door is open to you.

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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    The Party thanks you, and if you ever want to join to party (to get involved in the MHoC or to be eligible to vote in Leadership elections etc.) our door is open to you.

    Q for you

    Personally what is the greatest achievement of your government and why?

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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    To all parties. It's 2020 and your given a majority with a 10bn surplus available.

    What do you do?
    Do you have a figure for the GDP per capita threshold for EU membership?
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    (Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
    Q for you

    Personally what is the greatest achievement of your government and why?
    Well, forgetting for a moment that when I joined this Government was well under way, I would have to say abolishing the Monarchy.
    The precepts of our Defence Review, the limiting of prerogative powers and holding the militant-right at bay (such as the anti-EU bills) were also important achievements. I'd also commend the government for its stability and the professionalism marked by the passing of the SoI Amendment into the GD which will hopefully set a trend for receptive, active government.
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    (Original post by ukip72)
    Do you have a figure for the GDP per capita threshold for EU membership?
    Its negotiable since the bill would have to go through parliament and we could even do a treaty with the MUN but I want it set at $30k.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Its negotiable since the bill would have to go through parliament and we could even do a treaty with the MUN but I want it set at $30k.
    OK. Why is this figure in USD?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Well, forgetting for a moment that when I joined this Government was well under way, I would have to say abolishing the Monarchy.
    The precepts of our Defence Review, the limiting of prerogative powers and holding the militant-right at bay (such as the anti-EU bills) were also important achievements. I'd also commend the government for its stability and the professionalism marked by the passing of the SoI Amendment into the GD which will hopefully set a trend for receptive, active government.
    Did we have any anti-EU bills?
 
 
 
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