Is Islam proving a good or bad influence in the Current world?

this question is asked, not only in context of current affairs and topics happening in the last few months/years/decades but in general. What are the positive influences that islam is giving to modern civilisation these days? Or is it actually proving a bad influence on muslims

We can ignore at this point honour killings and grooming gangs from within the muslim community and even the influences that are driving various terrorist acts, the islamist groups involved in genocides, kidnappings and rapes etc in the middle east, and also ignore the various sectarian/ shia vs sunni wars etc over history. But look entirely from evidences of any significant positive influences if they can be provided

( please note simply regurgitating phrases like " What about islamic Golden Age!!" to account for the utilising of pre-existing ancient greek, egyptian and indian sciences as a result of inheriting colonies 500 years ago does not suffice) In 1300+ years youd expect the influence to have benefitted mankind somewhat wouldnt you?

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Reply 1

bad

I see nothing positive at all coming from the Muslim world nor do I see anything positive about Muslim migration to the west.

Reply 2

Original post by Radicalathiest

bad

I see nothing positive at all coming from the Muslim world nor do I see anything positive about Muslim migration to the west.

indeed, i wonder why it is that people under islamic influence seek to defend it so vehemently (even to the extent of murder) without these evidences.

Reply 3

shawn_o1

It only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.

Reply 4

Original post by G8D

Well the entire world (incl. moderate muslims) seems to be uniting to fight off islamism. That's something that can be spun as positive.

"(incl. moderate muslim" depends what you mean by this, for example those makeing military strikes against IS are some of the same arab states that were funding them 12 months ago. tidying up the mess in your own house is a good thing (even tho its not of their own violition, but due to pressure finally from the West) but not a benefit to mankind- it would hav ebeen better not to have created these problems in the first place

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Original post by shawn_o1

It only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone.

a few million?

Reply 6

Original post by Reformed

a few million?

lets say a few million, there are 1.6billion muslims, who mostly are peaceful now if you actually look at the beliefs of the extremists, they are 99% of the time wahabi/salafi sect

Reply 7

ISIS are not Muslim, which Muslim blows up shrines and destroys Mosque's?

Spoiler

Reply 8

Original post by Reformed

indeed, i wonder why it is that people under islamic influence seek to defend it so vehemently (even to the extent of murder) without these evidences.

This is an oddity of the human experience. To be able to cling to falsehoods so desperately that they are willing to murder for them.

Perhaps it's fear of the unknown. But rather than try and learn and develop some simply cling to what they are told is the truth in the vain hope that their life have true meaning rather than just a small spark lasting seconds in the infinite.

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Original post by aka r

ISIS are not Muslim, which Muslim blows up shrines and destroys Mosque's?

Spoiler

Muslim do and muslims have always done this to each other so yes IS are muslim. In fact one of 'Islams' first acts were to desecrate a pagan place of worship and you've carried on from that abhorent act right up to today

But perfect example of the no true scotsman

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Original post by aka r

ISIS are not Muslim, which Muslim blows up shrines and destroys Mosque's?

muslims have done this for centuires- a defunct argument. caliphs went to war with each other in order to wreslte power over islam. event the kabaa was been attacked/damaged in wars between caliphs.

goes to show that islam has done nothing to prevent this over the years, actually its been another excuse to go to war

Reply 11

Original post by G8D

Well the entire world (incl. moderate muslims) seems to be uniting to fight off islamism. That's something that can be spun as positive.

One group of muslims fighting an other

so no not a posative just a continuation of the barbarity that is islam.

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Reply 12

AuldReekie123

Original post by aka r

which Muslim blows up shrines and destroys Mosque's?

Salafis. The Saudis are actively destroying anything idolatrous including stuff like the mosque of the prophet's daughter.

Reply 13

Original post by Radicalathiest

Muslim do and muslims have always done this to each other so yes IS are muslim. In fact one of 'Islams' (here I mean old mo the pedo) first acts were to desecrate a pagan place of worship and you've carried on from that abhorent act right up to today

But perfect example of the no true scotsman

You are confusing Wahhabism with Islam

Reply 14

Original post by AuldReekie123

Salafis. The Saudis are actively destroying anything idolatrous including stuff like the mosque of the prophet's daughter.

saudis are wahabi/salafi, dont expect any better from them

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Original post by aka r

lets say a few million, there are 1.6billion muslims, who mostly are peaceful now if you actually look at the beliefs of the extremists, they are 99% of the time wahabi/salafi sect

could be tens of million, maybe hundreds. you cant argue either that the rest of muslims are 'peaceful' either what about the millions sitting in prison for killing or raping someone?

can you actually give an example of the good islam does for society at large ?(not jsut islamic society btw)

Reply 16

Original post by Reformed

How can you blame that on Islam? people are greedy and want power, how can you say these wars would not have happened if Islam did not exist?

Reply 17

Original post by aka r

How can you blame that on Islam? people are greedy and want power, how can you say these wars would not have happened if Islam did not exist?

if these was no concept of 'islam' there would be no people vieing for heading it up as caliph. jsut like there would be no ISIS trying to setup and rule an islamic state

Reply 18

Original post by Reformed

can you give me an example of what good Christianity/Judaism/Hinduism/Buddhism/Sikhism has done for society?

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